From: Boaz Harrosh <bharrosh@panasas.com>
To: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>, "Ted Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
Zach Brown <zab@zabbo.net>, Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>,
<linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH, RFC] Don't do page stablization if !CONFIG_BLKDEV_INTEGRITY
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:20:26 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F59148A.4070001@panasas.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120308180951.GB29510@shiny>
On 03/08/2012 10:09 AM, Chris Mason wrote:
>
> But, why are we writeback for a second or more? Aren't there other
> parts of this we would want to fix as well?
>
> I'm not against only turning on stable pages when they are needed, but
> the code that isn't the default tends to be somewhat less used. So it
> does increase testing burden when we do want stable pages, and it tends
> to make for awkward bugs that are hard to reproduce because someone
> neglects to mention it.
>
> IMHO it's much more important to nail down the 2 second writeback
> latency. That's not good.
>
I think I understand this one. It's do to the sync nature introduced
by page_waiting in mkwrite.
The system is loaded everything is somewhat 2 second or more in a lag.
The 2 sec (or more) comes from the max-dirty-limit/disk-speed so any
IO you'll submit will probably be on stable disk 2 sec later. (In theory,
any power fail will loose all dirty pages which is in our case
max-dirty-limit)
Now usually that's fine because everything is queued and waits a bit
evenly distributed and you wait, theoretically, only the rate of your
IO. But here, all of a sudden, you are not allowed to be queued and you
are waiting for the head of queue to be actually done, and the app is
just frozen.
Actually now when I think of it the pages were already submitted for
them to be waited on. So the 2-sec is the depth of the block+scsi+target
queues. I guess they can be pretty deep.
I have a theory of how we can fix that 2-sec wait, by avoiding writeback of
the last n pages of an inode who's mtime is less then 2-sec. This would
solve any sequential writer wait penalty, which is Ted's case
Thanks
Boaz
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-03-08 20:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-03-07 23:40 [PATCH, RFC] Don't do page stablization if !CONFIG_BLKDEV_INTEGRITY Theodore Ts'o
2012-03-07 23:54 ` Eric Sandeen
2012-03-08 0:05 ` Darrick J. Wong
2012-03-08 2:18 ` Darrick J. Wong
2012-03-08 3:00 ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-03-08 3:21 ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-03-08 2:39 ` Zach Brown
2012-03-08 15:54 ` Ted Ts'o
2012-03-08 18:09 ` Chris Mason
2012-03-08 20:20 ` Boaz Harrosh [this message]
2012-03-08 20:37 ` Chris Mason
2012-03-08 20:42 ` Jeff Moyer
2012-03-08 20:55 ` Chris Mason
2012-03-08 21:12 ` Ted Ts'o
2012-03-08 21:20 ` Chris Mason
2012-03-09 8:11 ` Dave Chinner
2012-03-08 20:50 ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-03-08 23:32 ` Dave Chinner
2012-03-08 21:24 ` Ted Ts'o
2012-03-08 21:38 ` Chris Mason
2012-03-08 21:41 ` Ted Ts'o
2012-03-09 1:02 ` Chris Mason
2012-03-09 1:08 ` Martin K. Petersen
2012-03-09 16:20 ` Ted Ts'o
2012-03-08 21:52 ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-03-08 0:23 ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-03-08 3:45 ` Martin K. Petersen
2012-03-08 4:37 ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-03-08 6:27 ` Sage Weil
2012-03-08 15:43 ` Ted Ts'o
2012-03-08 16:36 ` Martin K. Petersen
2012-03-08 16:43 ` Sage Weil
2012-03-15 2:10 ` Andy Lutomirski
2012-03-15 4:46 ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-03-15 5:02 ` Andy Lutomirski
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