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From: Jeff Liu <jeff.liu-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: container disk quota
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:59:23 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4FC9ABBB.3050303@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120601160421.GA17402@amd1>

Hi Serge,

On 06/02/2012 12:04 AM, Serge Hallyn wrote:

> Quoting Jan Kara (jack-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org):
>>   Hello,
>>
>> On Wed 30-05-12 22:58:54, jeff.liu-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org wrote:
>>> According to glauber's comments regarding container disk quota, it should be binded to mount
>>> namespace rather than cgroup.
>>>
>>> Per my try out, it works just fine by combining with userland quota utilitly in this way.
>>> However, they are something has to be done at user tools too IMHO.
>>>
>>> Currently, the patchset is in very initial phase, I'd like to post it early to seek more
>>> feedbacks from you guys.
>>>
>>> Hopefully I can clarify my ideas clearly.
>>   So what I miss in this introductory email is some highlevel description
>> like what is the desired functionality you try to implement and what is it
>> good for. Looking at the examples below, it seems you want to be able to
>> set quota limits for namespace-uid (and also namespace-gid???) pairs, am I
>> right?
>>
>>   If yes, then I would like to understand one thing: When writing to a
>> file, used space is accounted to the owner of the file. Now how do we
>> determine owning namespace? Do you implicitely assume that only processes
>> from one namespace will be able to access the file?
>>
>> 								Honza
> 
> Not having looked closely at the original patchset, let me ask - is this
> feature going to be a freebie with Eric's usernamespace patches?

It we can reach a consensus to bind quota on mount namespace for
container or other things maybe.
I think it definitely should depends on user namespace.

> 
> There, a container can be started in its own user namespace.  It's uid
> 1000 will be mapped to something like 1101000 on the host.  So the actual
> uid against who the quota is counted is 1101000.  In another container,
> uid 1000 will be mapped to 1201000, and again quota will be counted against
> 1201000.

Is it also an implications that we can examine do container quota or not
based on the uid/gid number?

> 
> Note that this won't work with bind mounts, as a file can only be owned
> by one uid, be it 1000, 1101000, or 1201000.  So for the quota to work
> each container would need its own files.  (Of course the underlying
> metadata can be shared through whatever ways - btrfs, lvm snapshotting,
> etc)

Do you means that we can not bind mount outside files to container for
as general adquot.user/adquot.group purpose?

If so, per glauber's comments, bind quota to mount namespace should be a
generic feature, and container just one of users could make use of it.

Again, if bind quota to mount namespace is on right direction, and it
only does make sense to container for now, maybe we don't need such
files. IMHO, container is a lightweight virtualization solution, maybe
its fine to make it as simple as possible.  If the server admin need to
configure hundreds of user/group dquot per container, perhaps he should
consider KVM/XEN.


Thanks,
-Jeff



> 
> -serge
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  reply	other threads:[~2012-06-02  5:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-30 14:58 container disk quota jeff.liu-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found] ` <1338389946-13711-1-git-send-email-jeff.liu-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-30 14:58   ` [PATCH 01/12] container quota: add kernel configuration for container quota jeff.liu-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]     ` <1338389946-13711-2-git-send-email-jeff.liu-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-31  9:00       ` Glauber Costa
2012-05-31  9:01         ` Glauber Costa
2012-05-30 14:58   ` [PATCH 02/12] container quota: lock/unlock mount namespace when performing quotactl jeff.liu-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]     ` <1338389946-13711-3-git-send-email-jeff.liu-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-31  9:04       ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]         ` <4FC73418.1040402-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-31 12:40           ` Jeff Liu
2012-05-30 14:58   ` [PATCH 03/12] container quota: introduce container quota format identifier jeff.liu-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA
2012-05-30 14:58   ` [PATCH 04/12] container quota: introduce container disk quota data header file jeff.liu-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA
2012-05-31  9:10     ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]       ` <4FC735A2.4040400-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-31 12:53         ` Jeff Liu
2012-05-30 14:58   ` [PATCH 05/12] container quota: bind disk quota stuff on mount namespace jeff.liu-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA
2012-05-30 14:59   ` [PATCH 06/12] container quota: implementations and header for block/inode bill up jeff.liu-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA
2012-05-30 14:59   ` [PATCH 07/12] container quota: add quota control source file jeff.liu-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA
2012-05-30 14:59   ` [PATCH 08/12] container quota: let quotactl(2) works for container jeff.liu-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA
2012-05-30 14:59   ` [PATCH 09/12] container quota: add container disk quota entry to Makefile jeff.liu-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA
2012-05-30 14:59   ` [PATCH 10/12] container quota: bill container inodes alloc/free on ext4 jeff.liu-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]     ` <1338389946-13711-11-git-send-email-jeff.liu-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-30 15:55       ` Ted Ts'o
     [not found]         ` <20120530155543.GB13236-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-31  1:43           ` Jeff Liu
     [not found]             ` <4FC6CCB6.4090908-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-31  1:54               ` Ted Ts'o
     [not found]                 ` <20120531015453.GA6759-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-31  2:37                   ` Jeff Liu
     [not found]                     ` <4FC6D94D.6040106-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-31  3:24                       ` Jeff Liu
2012-05-31  9:15       ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]         ` <4FC736AD.2070404-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-31 12:58           ` Jeff Liu
     [not found]             ` <4FC76B0D.6020804-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-31 13:14               ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]                 ` <4FC76ECA.3070301-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-31 13:43                   ` Jeff Liu
2012-06-05  0:03                 ` Dave Chinner
2012-05-30 14:59   ` [PATCH 11/11] container quota: bill container disk blocks " jeff.liu-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA
2012-05-30 14:59   ` [PATCH 12/12] container quota: init/destroy container dqinfo on mount namespace jeff.liu-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA
2012-05-31  8:54   ` container disk quota Glauber Costa
     [not found]     ` <4FC731C1.5000903-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-31  9:19       ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]         ` <4FC7378B.2030707-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-31 13:04           ` Jeff Liu
2012-05-31 12:31       ` Jeff Liu
2012-06-01 15:54   ` Jan Kara
     [not found]     ` <20120601155457.GA30909-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-01 16:04       ` Serge Hallyn
2012-06-02  5:59         ` Jeff Liu [this message]
2012-06-02  6:06           ` Kirill Korotaev
     [not found]             ` <01FED15D-15A3-4542-B95B-1166F0A309E6-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-02  6:24               ` Jeff Liu
     [not found]                 ` <4FC9B183.10605-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-02 15:21                   ` Kirill Korotaev
     [not found]                     ` <8660DDAA-D7A7-4C03-8CBB-9DB7E94C80CB-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-03  4:23                       ` Jeff Liu
     [not found]                         ` <4FCAE6CB.8060208-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-03  5:47                           ` Kirill Korotaev
     [not found]                             ` <81DE9C10-649B-4D13-86B0-200944AE8767-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-03  6:02                               ` Jeff Liu
2012-06-03  9:48                             ` Glauber Costa
2012-06-04  2:57           ` Serge Hallyn
2012-06-04  4:46             ` Jeff Liu
     [not found]               ` <4FCC3DB9.40105-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-04  9:42                 ` Jan Kara
     [not found]                   ` <20120604094224.GA7670-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-04 13:35                     ` Jeff Liu
2012-06-04 13:56                       ` Jan Kara
     [not found]                         ` <20120604135615.GD11010-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-04 14:55                           ` Jeff Liu
     [not found]                             ` <4FCCCC64.5060301-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-04 15:50                               ` Jeff Liu
2012-06-02  5:42       ` Jeff Liu

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