From: Anand Avati <avati-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Pavel Emelyanov <xemul-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Kirill Korotaev <dev-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>,
Miklos Szeredi <miklos-sUDqSbJrdHQHWmgEVkV9KA@public.gmane.org>,
fuse-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
James Bottomley
<jbottomley-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>,
Alexander Viro
<viro-RmSDqhL/yNMiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>,
linux-fsdevel
<linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/10] fuse: An attempt to implement a write-back cache policy
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 12:31:17 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4FF5EB85.1050701@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4FF3156E.8030109-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
Doesn't such a change increase the "dirty debt" held in the kernel and
therefore increase the probability of resulting in a deadlock (when the
userspace filesystem's memory allocation request ends up waiting on a
dirty page writeout caused by this write-back feature)? Why not
implement the write-back inside the userspace filesystem leaving the
kernel operate in write-through, which makes things overall less unsafe?
Do you have performance numbers comparing write-back in kernel v/s
write-back in userspace?
Avati
On 07/03/2012 08:53 AM, Pavel Emelyanov wrote:
> Hi everyone.
>
> One of the problems with the existing FUSE implementation is that it uses the
> write-through cache policy which results in performance problems on certain
> workloads. E.g. when copying a big file into a FUSE file the cp pushes every
> 128k to the userspace synchronously. This becomes a problem when the userspace
> back-end uses networking for storing the data.
>
> A good solution of this is switching the FUSE page cache into a write-back policy.
> With this file data are pushed to the userspace with big chunks (depending on the
> dirty memory limits, but this is much more than 128k) which lets the FUSE daemons
> handle the size updates in a more efficient manner.
>
> The writeback feature is per-connection and is explicitly configurable at the
> init stage (is it worth making it CAP_SOMETHING protected?) When the writeback is
> turned ON:
>
> * still copy writeback pages to temporary buffer when sending a writeback request
> and finish the page writeback immediately
>
> * make kernel maintain the inode's i_size to avoid frequent i_size synchronization
> with the user space
>
> * take NR_WRITEBACK_TEMP into account when makeing balance_dirty_pages decision.
> This protects us from having too many dirty pages on FUSE
>
> The provided patchset survives the fsx test. Performance measurements are not yet
> all finished, but the mentioned copying of a huge file becomes noticeably faster
> even on machines with few RAM and doesn't make the system stuck (the dirty pages
> balancer does its work OK). Applies on top of v3.5-rc4.
>
> We are currently exploring this with our own distributed storage implementation
> which is heavily oriented on storing big blobs of data with extremely rare meta-data
> updates (virtual machines' and containers' disk images). With the existing cache
> policy a typical usage scenario -- copying a big VM disk into a cloud -- takes way
> too much time to proceed, much longer than if it was simply scp-ed over the same
> network. The write-back policy (as I mentioned) noticeably improves this scenario.
> Kirill (in Cc) can share more details about the performance and the storage concepts
> details if required.
>
> Thanks,
> Pavel
>
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Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-07-03 15:53 [PATCH 0/10] fuse: An attempt to implement a write-back cache policy Pavel Emelyanov
2012-07-03 15:53 ` [PATCH 1/10] fuse: Linking file to inode helper Pavel Emelyanov
2012-07-03 15:54 ` [PATCH 2/10] fuse: Getting file for writeback helper Pavel Emelyanov
2012-07-03 15:54 ` [PATCH 3/10] fuse: Prepare to handle short reads Pavel Emelyanov
2012-07-03 15:55 ` [PATCH 4/10] fuse: Prepare to handle multiple pages in writeback Pavel Emelyanov
2012-07-04 13:06 ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-07-04 14:26 ` Pavel Emelyanov
[not found] ` <4FF3156E.8030109-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-03 15:55 ` [PATCH 5/10] fuse: Connection bit for enabling writeback Pavel Emelyanov
2012-07-03 15:56 ` [PATCH 7/10] fuse: Flush files on wb close Pavel Emelyanov
2012-07-03 15:56 ` [PATCH 8/10] fuse: Implement writepages and write_begin/write_end callbacks Pavel Emelyanov
2012-07-03 15:57 ` [PATCH 9/10] fuse: Turn writeback on Pavel Emelyanov
2012-07-04 3:01 ` [PATCH 0/10] fuse: An attempt to implement a write-back cache policy Nikolaus Rath
[not found] ` <87a9zg1b7q.fsf-sKB8Sp2ER+yL2G7IJ6k9tw@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-04 7:11 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2012-07-04 13:22 ` Nikolaus Rath
[not found] ` <4FF4438B.8050807-BTH8mxji4b0@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-04 14:33 ` Pavel Emelyanov
[not found] ` <4FF45447.5000705-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-04 17:08 ` Nikolaus Rath
2012-07-05 9:01 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2012-07-05 13:07 ` Nikolaus Rath
2012-07-05 14:08 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2012-07-05 14:29 ` Nikolaus Rath
2012-07-05 14:34 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2012-07-06 2:04 ` Nikolaus Rath
[not found] ` <8762a1odbf.fsf-sKB8Sp2ER+yL2G7IJ6k9tw@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-06 8:46 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2012-07-05 19:31 ` Anand Avati [this message]
[not found] ` <4FF5EB85.1050701-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-05 20:07 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2012-07-06 11:52 ` [fuse-devel] " Kirill Korotaev
2012-07-03 15:55 ` [PATCH 6/10] fuse: Trust kernel i_size only Pavel Emelyanov
2012-07-04 14:39 ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-07-05 14:10 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2012-07-10 5:53 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2012-07-13 16:30 ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-07-16 3:32 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2012-07-17 15:17 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <8762a3pp3m.fsf-d8RdFUjzFsbxNFs70CDYszOMxtEWgIxa@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-01 17:30 ` Maxim V. Patlasov
2012-11-16 9:49 ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-11-16 10:32 ` Maxim V. Patlasov
2012-07-03 15:57 ` [PATCH 10/10] mm: Account for WRITEBACK_TEMP in balance_dirty_pages Pavel Emelyanov
[not found] ` <4FF3166B.5090800-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-13 16:57 ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-07-16 3:27 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2012-07-17 19:11 ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-07-27 4:01 ` Pavel Emelyanov
[not found] ` <5012127C.8070203-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-08-07 17:30 ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-07-05 19:26 ` [fuse-devel] [PATCH 0/10] fuse: An attempt to implement a write-back cache policy Anand Avati
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