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From: Gao Xiang <hsiangkao@linux.alibaba.com>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com>,
	John Groves <John@groves.net>, Bernd Schubert <bernd@bsbernd.com>,
	Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>,
	Luis Henriques <luis@igalia.com>,
	Horst Birthelmer <horst@birthelmer.de>,
	Gao Xiang <xiang@kernel.org>,
	lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [Lsf-pc] [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Where is fuse going? API cleanup, restructuring and more
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2026 18:30:34 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4f5b0671-9ff1-458f-9cc1-21df2cdfdd05@linux.alibaba.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4ubnjtpngijh7azvmqjavubnm3sj25uv2mjkpppzs35lwzjgax@nckcj2we3lru>



On 2026/3/23 18:14, Jan Kara wrote:
> Hi Gao!
> 
> On Mon 23-03-26 18:05:17, Gao Xiang wrote:
>> On 2026/3/23 17:43, Jan Kara wrote:
>>> And yes, when you have immutable filesystem, things are much simpler
>>> because the data structures and algorithms can be much simpler and as you
>>> wrote a lot of these inconsistencies don't matter (at least for the
>>> kernel). But once you add ability to modify the filesystem - here I don't
>>> think it matters whether through CoW or other means - things get
>>> complicated quickly and it gets much more complex to make your code
>>> resilient to all kinds of inconsistencies...
>>
>> I only consider the COW approach using OverlayFS for example,
>> it just copies up (meta)data into another filesystem (the
>> semantics is just like copy the file in the userspace) and
>> the immutable filesystem image won't change in any case.
>>
>> Overlayfs write goes through normal user write and the
>> writable filesystem is consistent, so I don't think it does
>> matter.  Or am I missing something? (e.g could you point
>> out some case which OverlayFS cannot handle properly?)
> 
> No, you are correct. For the usecases where immutable fs + overlayfs +
> empty initial writeable filesystem works, this is a safe design.

(Just BTW, not only to empty initial writable filesystems
  but also to previously mounted, consistent trusted local
  filesystems used as upper layers, as they are typical
  cases for containers.)

Thanks,
Gao Xiang

> 
> 								Honza


  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-23 10:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <aYIsRc03fGhQ7vbS@groves.net>
2026-02-02 13:51 ` [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Where is fuse going? API cleanup, restructuring and more Miklos Szeredi
2026-02-02 16:14   ` Amir Goldstein
2026-02-03  7:55     ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-02-03  9:19       ` [Lsf-pc] " Jan Kara
2026-02-03 10:31         ` Amir Goldstein
2026-02-04  9:22       ` Joanne Koong
2026-02-04 10:37         ` Amir Goldstein
2026-02-04 10:43         ` [Lsf-pc] " Jan Kara
2026-02-06  6:09           ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-21  6:07             ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-02-21  7:07               ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-21 22:16                 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-02-23 21:58                   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-04 20:47         ` Bernd Schubert
2026-02-06  6:26         ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-03 10:15     ` Luis Henriques
2026-02-03 10:20       ` Amir Goldstein
2026-02-03 10:38         ` Luis Henriques
2026-02-03 14:20         ` Christian Brauner
2026-02-03 10:36   ` Amir Goldstein
2026-02-03 17:13   ` John Groves
2026-02-04 19:06   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-04 19:38     ` Horst Birthelmer
2026-02-04 20:58     ` Bernd Schubert
2026-02-06  5:47       ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-04 22:50     ` Gao Xiang
2026-02-06  5:38       ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-06  6:15         ` Gao Xiang
2026-02-21  0:47           ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-03-17  4:17             ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-18 21:51               ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-03-19  8:05                 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-22  3:25                 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-03-22  3:52                   ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-22  4:51                   ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-22  5:13                     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-03-22  5:30                       ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23  9:54                     ` [Lsf-pc] " Jan Kara
2026-03-23 10:19                       ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23 11:14                         ` Jan Kara
2026-03-23 11:42                           ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23 12:01                             ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23 14:13                               ` Jan Kara
2026-03-23 14:36                                 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23 14:47                                   ` Jan Kara
2026-03-23 14:57                                     ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-24  8:48                                     ` Christian Brauner
2026-03-24  9:30                                       ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-24  9:49                                         ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-03-24  9:53                                           ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-24 10:02                                             ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-03-24 10:14                                               ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-24 10:17                                                 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-03-24 10:25                                                   ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-24 11:58                                       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-03-24 12:21                                         ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-26 14:39                                           ` Christian Brauner
2026-03-23 12:08                           ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-03-23 12:13                             ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23 12:19                               ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-03-23 12:30                                 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23 12:33                                   ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-22  5:14                   ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23  9:43                     ` [Lsf-pc] " Jan Kara
2026-03-23 10:05                       ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23 10:14                         ` Jan Kara
2026-03-23 10:30                           ` Gao Xiang [this message]
2026-02-04 23:19     ` Gao Xiang
2026-02-05  3:33     ` John Groves
2026-02-05  9:27       ` Amir Goldstein
2026-02-06  5:52         ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-06 20:48           ` John Groves
2026-02-07  0:22             ` Joanne Koong
2026-02-12  4:46               ` Joanne Koong
2026-02-21  0:37                 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-26 20:21                   ` Joanne Koong
2026-03-03  4:57                     ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-03-03 17:28                       ` Joanne Koong
2026-02-20 23:59             ` Darrick J. Wong

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