From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Gao Xiang <hsiangkao@linux.alibaba.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com>,
"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com>,
John Groves <John@groves.net>,
Bernd Schubert <bernd@bsbernd.com>,
Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>,
Luis Henriques <luis@igalia.com>,
Horst Birthelmer <horst@birthelmer.de>,
Gao Xiang <xiang@kernel.org>,
lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [Lsf-pc] [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Where is fuse going? API cleanup, restructuring and more
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2026 11:14:19 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4ubnjtpngijh7azvmqjavubnm3sj25uv2mjkpppzs35lwzjgax@nckcj2we3lru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6ab85914-6328-4762-910a-2ad17d45a358@linux.alibaba.com>
Hi Gao!
On Mon 23-03-26 18:05:17, Gao Xiang wrote:
> On 2026/3/23 17:43, Jan Kara wrote:
> > And yes, when you have immutable filesystem, things are much simpler
> > because the data structures and algorithms can be much simpler and as you
> > wrote a lot of these inconsistencies don't matter (at least for the
> > kernel). But once you add ability to modify the filesystem - here I don't
> > think it matters whether through CoW or other means - things get
> > complicated quickly and it gets much more complex to make your code
> > resilient to all kinds of inconsistencies...
>
> I only consider the COW approach using OverlayFS for example,
> it just copies up (meta)data into another filesystem (the
> semantics is just like copy the file in the userspace) and
> the immutable filesystem image won't change in any case.
>
> Overlayfs write goes through normal user write and the
> writable filesystem is consistent, so I don't think it does
> matter. Or am I missing something? (e.g could you point
> out some case which OverlayFS cannot handle properly?)
No, you are correct. For the usecases where immutable fs + overlayfs +
empty initial writeable filesystem works, this is a safe design.
Honza
--
Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>
SUSE Labs, CR
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Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2026-02-02 13:51 ` [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Where is fuse going? API cleanup, restructuring and more Miklos Szeredi
2026-02-02 16:14 ` Amir Goldstein
2026-02-03 7:55 ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-02-03 9:19 ` [Lsf-pc] " Jan Kara
2026-02-03 10:31 ` Amir Goldstein
2026-02-04 9:22 ` Joanne Koong
2026-02-04 10:37 ` Amir Goldstein
2026-02-04 10:43 ` [Lsf-pc] " Jan Kara
2026-02-06 6:09 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-21 6:07 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-02-21 7:07 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-21 22:16 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-02-23 21:58 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-04 20:47 ` Bernd Schubert
2026-02-06 6:26 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-03 10:15 ` Luis Henriques
2026-02-03 10:20 ` Amir Goldstein
2026-02-03 10:38 ` Luis Henriques
2026-02-03 14:20 ` Christian Brauner
2026-02-03 10:36 ` Amir Goldstein
2026-02-03 17:13 ` John Groves
2026-02-04 19:06 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-04 19:38 ` Horst Birthelmer
2026-02-04 20:58 ` Bernd Schubert
2026-02-06 5:47 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-04 22:50 ` Gao Xiang
2026-02-06 5:38 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-06 6:15 ` Gao Xiang
2026-02-21 0:47 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-03-17 4:17 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-18 21:51 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-03-19 8:05 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-22 3:25 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-03-22 3:52 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-22 4:51 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-22 5:13 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-03-22 5:30 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23 9:54 ` [Lsf-pc] " Jan Kara
2026-03-23 10:19 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23 11:14 ` Jan Kara
2026-03-23 11:42 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23 12:01 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23 14:13 ` Jan Kara
2026-03-23 14:36 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23 14:47 ` Jan Kara
2026-03-23 14:57 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-24 8:48 ` Christian Brauner
2026-03-24 9:30 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-24 9:49 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-03-24 9:53 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-24 10:02 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-03-24 10:14 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-24 10:17 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-03-24 10:25 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-24 11:58 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-03-24 12:21 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-26 14:39 ` Christian Brauner
2026-03-23 12:08 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-03-23 12:13 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23 12:19 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-03-23 12:30 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23 12:33 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-22 5:14 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23 9:43 ` [Lsf-pc] " Jan Kara
2026-03-23 10:05 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23 10:14 ` Jan Kara [this message]
2026-03-23 10:30 ` Gao Xiang
2026-02-04 23:19 ` Gao Xiang
2026-02-05 3:33 ` John Groves
2026-02-05 9:27 ` Amir Goldstein
2026-02-06 5:52 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-06 20:48 ` John Groves
2026-02-07 0:22 ` Joanne Koong
2026-02-12 4:46 ` Joanne Koong
2026-02-21 0:37 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-26 20:21 ` Joanne Koong
2026-03-03 4:57 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-03-03 17:28 ` Joanne Koong
2026-02-20 23:59 ` Darrick J. Wong
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