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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Gao Xiang <hsiangkao@linux.alibaba.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com>,
	 "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	 linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com>,
	 John Groves <John@groves.net>,
	Bernd Schubert <bernd@bsbernd.com>,
	 Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>,
	Luis Henriques <luis@igalia.com>,
	 Horst Birthelmer <horst@birthelmer.de>,
	Gao Xiang <xiang@kernel.org>,
	lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [Lsf-pc] [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Where is fuse going? API cleanup, restructuring and more
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2026 11:14:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4ubnjtpngijh7azvmqjavubnm3sj25uv2mjkpppzs35lwzjgax@nckcj2we3lru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6ab85914-6328-4762-910a-2ad17d45a358@linux.alibaba.com>

Hi Gao!

On Mon 23-03-26 18:05:17, Gao Xiang wrote:
> On 2026/3/23 17:43, Jan Kara wrote:
> > And yes, when you have immutable filesystem, things are much simpler
> > because the data structures and algorithms can be much simpler and as you
> > wrote a lot of these inconsistencies don't matter (at least for the
> > kernel). But once you add ability to modify the filesystem - here I don't
> > think it matters whether through CoW or other means - things get
> > complicated quickly and it gets much more complex to make your code
> > resilient to all kinds of inconsistencies...
> 
> I only consider the COW approach using OverlayFS for example,
> it just copies up (meta)data into another filesystem (the
> semantics is just like copy the file in the userspace) and
> the immutable filesystem image won't change in any case.
> 
> Overlayfs write goes through normal user write and the
> writable filesystem is consistent, so I don't think it does
> matter.  Or am I missing something? (e.g could you point
> out some case which OverlayFS cannot handle properly?)

No, you are correct. For the usecases where immutable fs + overlayfs +
empty initial writeable filesystem works, this is a safe design.

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>
SUSE Labs, CR

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-23 10:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <aYIsRc03fGhQ7vbS@groves.net>
2026-02-02 13:51 ` [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Where is fuse going? API cleanup, restructuring and more Miklos Szeredi
2026-02-02 16:14   ` Amir Goldstein
2026-02-03  7:55     ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-02-03  9:19       ` [Lsf-pc] " Jan Kara
2026-02-03 10:31         ` Amir Goldstein
2026-02-04  9:22       ` Joanne Koong
2026-02-04 10:37         ` Amir Goldstein
2026-02-04 10:43         ` [Lsf-pc] " Jan Kara
2026-02-06  6:09           ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-21  6:07             ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-02-21  7:07               ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-21 22:16                 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-02-23 21:58                   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-04 20:47         ` Bernd Schubert
2026-02-06  6:26         ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-03 10:15     ` Luis Henriques
2026-02-03 10:20       ` Amir Goldstein
2026-02-03 10:38         ` Luis Henriques
2026-02-03 14:20         ` Christian Brauner
2026-02-03 10:36   ` Amir Goldstein
2026-02-03 17:13   ` John Groves
2026-02-04 19:06   ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-04 19:38     ` Horst Birthelmer
2026-02-04 20:58     ` Bernd Schubert
2026-02-06  5:47       ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-04 22:50     ` Gao Xiang
2026-02-06  5:38       ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-06  6:15         ` Gao Xiang
2026-02-21  0:47           ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-03-17  4:17             ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-18 21:51               ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-03-19  8:05                 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-22  3:25                 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-03-22  3:52                   ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-22  4:51                   ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-22  5:13                     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-03-22  5:30                       ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23  9:54                     ` [Lsf-pc] " Jan Kara
2026-03-23 10:19                       ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23 11:14                         ` Jan Kara
2026-03-23 11:42                           ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23 12:01                             ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23 14:13                               ` Jan Kara
2026-03-23 14:36                                 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23 14:47                                   ` Jan Kara
2026-03-23 14:57                                     ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-24  8:48                                     ` Christian Brauner
2026-03-24  9:30                                       ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-24  9:49                                         ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-03-24  9:53                                           ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-24 10:02                                             ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-03-24 10:14                                               ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-24 10:17                                                 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-03-24 10:25                                                   ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-24 11:58                                       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-03-24 12:21                                         ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-26 14:39                                           ` Christian Brauner
2026-03-23 12:08                           ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-03-23 12:13                             ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23 12:19                               ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-03-23 12:30                                 ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23 12:33                                   ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-22  5:14                   ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23  9:43                     ` [Lsf-pc] " Jan Kara
2026-03-23 10:05                       ` Gao Xiang
2026-03-23 10:14                         ` Jan Kara [this message]
2026-03-23 10:30                           ` Gao Xiang
2026-02-04 23:19     ` Gao Xiang
2026-02-05  3:33     ` John Groves
2026-02-05  9:27       ` Amir Goldstein
2026-02-06  5:52         ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-06 20:48           ` John Groves
2026-02-07  0:22             ` Joanne Koong
2026-02-12  4:46               ` Joanne Koong
2026-02-21  0:37                 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-02-26 20:21                   ` Joanne Koong
2026-03-03  4:57                     ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-03-03 17:28                       ` Joanne Koong
2026-02-20 23:59             ` Darrick J. Wong

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