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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-aio@kvack.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@kvack.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] Add vhost-blk support
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:02:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50056275.6000407@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120717124859.GA9883@redhat.com>

Il 17/07/2012 14:48, Michael S. Tsirkin ha scritto:
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 01:03:39PM +0100, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>> Knowing the answer to that is important before anyone can say whether
>>>> this approach is good or not.
>>>>
>>>> Stefan
>>>
>>> Why is it?
>>
>> Because there might be a fix to kvmtool which closes the gap.  It
>> would be embarassing if vhost-blk was pushed just because no one
>> looked into what is actually going on.
> 
> Embarrasing to whom? Is someone working on an optimization that
> makes the work in question redundant, with posting just around
> the corner? Then maybe the thing to do is just wait a bit.

Of course there is work going on to make QEMU perform better.  Not sure
about lkvm.

>> And on the flipside, hard evidence of an overhead that cannot be
>> resolved could be good reason to do more vhost devices in the future.
> 
> How can one have hard evidence of an overhead that cannot be resolved?

Since we do have two completely independent userspaces (lkvm and
data-plane QEMU), you can build up some compelling evidence of an
overhead that cannot be resolved in user space.

>> Either way, it's useful to do this before going further.
> 
> I think each work should be discussed on its own merits.  Maybe
> vhost-blk is just well written. So? What is your conclusion?

If it's just that vhost-blk is written well, my conclusion is that lkvm
people should look into improving their virtio-blk userspace.  We take
hints from each other all the time, for example virtio-scsi will have
unlocked kick in 3.6.

Why can't vhost-* just get into staging, and we call it a day?

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2012-07-17 13:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-12 15:35 [PATCH 0/5] Add vhost-blk support Asias He
2012-07-12 15:35 ` [PATCH 1/5] aio: Export symbols and struct kiocb_batch for in kernel aio usage Asias He
2012-07-12 17:50   ` James Bottomley
2012-07-13  1:40     ` Asias He
2012-07-12 16:06 ` [PATCH 0/5] Add vhost-blk support Jeff Moyer
2012-07-13  1:19   ` Asias He
2012-07-16 11:58 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-17  8:29   ` Asias He
2012-07-17  8:52     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-17  9:21       ` Asias He
2012-07-17  9:32         ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-17  9:51           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 11:11         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-17 11:26           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 11:42             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-17 11:51               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-17 11:54               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 12:03                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-17 12:48                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 13:02                     ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2012-07-17 13:26                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-18  8:47                       ` Asias He
2012-07-18  8:12           ` Asias He
2012-07-18  8:26             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-18  9:46         ` Ronen Hod
2012-07-17  9:45       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 10:14         ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-17 10:49           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 10:56             ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-17 11:09               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-07-17 11:36     ` Stefan Hajnoczi

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