From: Aquinas Admin <admin@aquinas.su>
To: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>,
Josef Bacik <josef@toxicpanda.com>
Cc: "Malte Schröder" <malte.schroeder@tnxip.de>,
"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
"Carl E. Thompson" <list-bcachefs@carlthompson.net>,
linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] bcachefs changes for 6.17
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2025 23:02:24 +0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5030625.31r3eYUQgx@woolf> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250809192156.GA1411279@fedora>
> Exactly. Which is why the Meta infrastructure is built completely on btrfs
> and its features. We have saved billions of dollars in infrastructure costs
> with the features and robustness of btrfs.
>
> Btrfs doesn't need me or anybody else wandering around screaming about how
> everybody else sucks to gain users. The proof is in the pudding. If you read
> anything that I've wrote in my commentary about other file systems you will
> find nothing but praise and respect, because this is hard and we all make
> our tradeoffs.
>
Sure, of course. The problem is that Meta doesn't need a general-purpose file
system. And yes, and in general, Meta is not the kind of company that makes
technically sound decisions. Tell me, does Meta still store user passwords in
plain text? At least in March 2019, Meta was fined for that. Should we mention
that the btrfs used at Meta differs from the btrfs in the kernel? Has "btrfs
check" stopped completely destroying the file system? Has the problem with
RAID5/6 (write hole) been solved in more than 20 years of development? Btrfs
is not the file system that users want to see as a general-purpose file system.
It works, of course, in certain scenarios. But if you run out of space, you
even can't delete a file from it. That's the design—bravo! I'm surprised that a
technically knowledgeable person would use "god-level" arguments. What file
system have they saved money on compared to? How does a specific use case align
with general-purpose scenarios? Why did you switch to discussing personal
attacks in response to technical criticism?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Josef
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-08-11 16:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-28 15:14 [GIT PULL] bcachefs changes for 6.17 Kent Overstreet
2025-08-05 21:19 ` Malte Schröder
2025-08-05 22:41 ` Carl E. Thompson
2025-08-07 12:42 ` Aquinas Admin
2025-08-09 17:36 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-09 19:21 ` Josef Bacik
2025-08-09 20:37 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-09 21:34 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-10 2:24 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-08-10 3:17 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-10 4:05 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-10 4:13 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-10 4:26 ` Gerald B. Cox
2025-08-10 5:17 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-10 5:59 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-08-10 6:51 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-10 10:22 ` Martin Steigerwald
2025-08-11 15:48 ` Peanut gallery 2c James Lawrence
2025-08-11 16:08 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-11 17:00 ` James Lawrence
[not found] ` <aJsIOj6jbPKayO0s@mayhem.fritz.box>
2025-08-12 16:26 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-11 16:48 ` [GIT PULL] bcachefs changes for 6.17 Aquinas Admin
2025-08-10 8:02 ` Martin Steigerwald
2025-08-10 6:05 ` Carl E. Thompson
2025-08-11 16:02 ` Aquinas Admin [this message]
2025-08-11 16:09 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-09 23:01 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-08-09 23:13 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-12 7:49 ` Jani Partanen
2025-08-12 10:09 ` Martin Steigerwald
2025-08-11 9:51 ` Konstantin Shelekhin
2025-08-11 14:26 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-11 18:13 ` Carl E. Thompson
2025-08-11 18:40 ` Malte Schröder
2025-08-12 0:44 ` Carl E. Thompson
2025-08-11 18:48 ` Aquinas Admin
2025-08-11 19:42 ` Martin Steigerwald
2025-08-11 21:04 ` Konstantin Shelekhin
2025-08-12 1:08 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-12 6:52 ` asdx
2025-08-12 7:04 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-12 7:17 ` asdx
2025-08-12 19:35 ` Keith Busch
2025-08-12 20:03 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-12 20:30 ` Keith Busch
2025-08-12 20:31 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-12 20:38 ` Keith Busch
2025-08-12 20:45 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-12 20:54 ` Keith Busch
2025-08-12 20:57 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-11 16:45 ` Aquinas Admin
2025-08-10 4:29 ` Gerhard Wiesinger
2025-08-07 14:27 ` Martin Steigerwald
2025-08-07 17:29 ` Peter Schneider
2025-08-10 6:20 ` Gerhard Wiesinger
2025-08-10 10:32 ` Martin Steigerwald
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