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From: Glauber Costa <glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Glauber Costa <glommer-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
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	Andrew Morton
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	Theodore Ts'o <tytso-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>,
	Al Viro <viro-RmSDqhL/yNMiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 02/31] vmscan: take at least one pass with shrinkers
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 15:28:12 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <518B884C.9090704@parallels.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130509111226.GR11497-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>

On 05/09/2013 03:12 PM, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 10:06:19AM +0400, Glauber Costa wrote:
>> In very low free kernel memory situations, it may be the case that we
>> have less objects to free than our initial batch size. If this is the
>> case, it is better to shrink those, and open space for the new workload
>> then to keep them and fail the new allocations. For the purpose of
>> defining what "very low memory" means, we will purposefuly exclude
>> kswapd runs.
>>
>> More specifically, this happens because we encode this in a loop with
>> the condition: "while (total_scan >= batch_size)". So if we are in such
>> a case, we'll not even enter the loop.
>>
>> This patch modifies turns it into a do () while {} loop, that will
>> guarantee that we scan it at least once, while keeping the behaviour
>> exactly the same for the cases in which total_scan > batch_size.
>>
>> [ v5: differentiate no-scan case, don't do this for kswapd ]
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Glauber Costa <glommer-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
>> Reviewed-by: Dave Chinner <david-FqsqvQoI3Ljby3iVrkZq2A@public.gmane.org>
>> Reviewed-by: Carlos Maiolino <cmaiolino-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
>> CC: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
>> CC: Al Viro <viro-RmSDqhL/yNMiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
>> ---
>>  mm/vmscan.c | 24 +++++++++++++++++++++---
>>  1 file changed, 21 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/mm/vmscan.c b/mm/vmscan.c
>> index fa6a853..49691da 100644
>> --- a/mm/vmscan.c
>> +++ b/mm/vmscan.c
>> @@ -281,12 +281,30 @@ unsigned long shrink_slab(struct shrink_control *shrink,
>>  					nr_pages_scanned, lru_pages,
>>  					max_pass, delta, total_scan);
>>  
>> -		while (total_scan >= batch_size) {
>> +		do {
>>  			int nr_before;
>>  
>> +			/*
>> +			 * When we are kswapd, there is no need for us to go
>> +			 * desperate and try to reclaim any number of objects
>> +			 * regardless of batch size. Direct reclaim, OTOH, may
>> +			 * benefit from freeing objects in any quantities. If
>> +			 * the workload is actually stressing those objects,
>> +			 * this may be the difference between succeeding or
>> +			 * failing an allocation.
>> +			 */
>> +			if ((total_scan < batch_size) && current_is_kswapd())
>> +				break;
>> +			/*
>> +			 * Differentiate between "few objects" and "no objects"
>> +			 * as returned by the count step.
>> +			 */
>> +			if (!total_scan)
>> +				break;
>> +
> 
> To reduce the risk of slab reclaiming the world in the reasonable cases
> I outlined after the leader mail, I would go further than this and either
> limit it to memcg after shrinkers are memcg aware or only do the full scan
> if direct reclaim and priority == 0.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
I of course understand your worries, but I myself believe makes things
less memcg specific is a long term win. There is a reason for memcg
needing this, and it might be helpful in other situations as well (maybe
very low memory in small systems, or a small zone, etc). All that, if
possible of course. As a last resort, I am obviously fine with
making it memcg specific if needed.

>From the options you outlined above, I personally would prefer to add
the priority check test (since the direct reclaim part is implicit by
the current_is_kswapd test)

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-05-09 11:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-09  6:06 [PATCH v5 00/31] kmemcg shrinkers Glauber Costa
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 01/31] super: fix calculation of shrinkable objects for small numbers Glauber Costa
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 02/31] vmscan: take at least one pass with shrinkers Glauber Costa
2013-05-09 11:12   ` Mel Gorman
     [not found]     ` <20130509111226.GR11497-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-09 11:28       ` Glauber Costa [this message]
     [not found]         ` <518B884C.9090704-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-09 11:35           ` Glauber Costa
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 03/31] dcache: convert dentry_stat.nr_unused to per-cpu counters Glauber Costa
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 04/31] dentry: move to per-sb LRU locks Glauber Costa
     [not found]   ` <1368079608-5611-5-git-send-email-glommer-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-10  5:29     ` Dave Chinner
2013-05-10  8:16       ` Dave Chinner
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 05/31] dcache: remove dentries from LRU before putting on dispose list Glauber Costa
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 06/31] mm: new shrinker API Glauber Costa
2013-05-09 13:30   ` Mel Gorman
     [not found] ` <1368079608-5611-1-git-send-email-glommer-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-09  6:06   ` [PATCH v5 07/31] shrinker: convert superblock shrinkers to new API Glauber Costa
2013-05-09 13:33     ` Mel Gorman
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 08/31] list: add a new LRU list type Glauber Costa
     [not found]   ` <1368079608-5611-9-git-send-email-glommer-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-09 13:37     ` Mel Gorman
     [not found]       ` <20130509133742.GW11497-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-09 21:02         ` Glauber Costa
2013-05-10  9:21           ` Mel Gorman
2013-05-10  9:56             ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]               ` <518CC44D.1020409-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-10 10:01                 ` Mel Gorman
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 09/31] inode: convert inode lru list to generic lru list code Glauber Costa
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 10/31] dcache: convert to use new lru list infrastructure Glauber Costa
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 11/31] list_lru: per-node " Glauber Costa
2013-05-09 13:42   ` Mel Gorman
     [not found]     ` <20130509134246.GX11497-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-09 21:05       ` Glauber Costa
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 12/31] shrinker: add node awareness Glauber Costa
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 13/31] fs: convert inode and dentry shrinking to be node aware Glauber Costa
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 14/31] xfs: convert buftarg LRU to generic code Glauber Costa
     [not found]   ` <1368079608-5611-15-git-send-email-glommer-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-09 13:43     ` Mel Gorman
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 15/31] xfs: convert dquot cache lru to list_lru Glauber Costa
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 16/31] fs: convert fs shrinkers to new scan/count API Glauber Costa
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 17/31] drivers: convert shrinkers to new count/scan API Glauber Costa
2013-05-09 13:52   ` Mel Gorman
     [not found]     ` <20130509135209.GZ11497-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-09 21:19       ` Glauber Costa
2013-05-10  9:00         ` Mel Gorman
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 18/31] shrinker: convert remaining shrinkers to " Glauber Costa
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 19/31] hugepage: convert huge zero page shrinker to new shrinker API Glauber Costa
     [not found]   ` <1368079608-5611-20-git-send-email-glommer-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-10  1:24     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 20/31] shrinker: Kill old ->shrink API Glauber Costa
2013-05-09 13:53   ` Mel Gorman
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 21/31] vmscan: also shrink slab in memcg pressure Glauber Costa
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 22/31] memcg,list_lru: duplicate LRUs upon kmemcg creation Glauber Costa
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 23/31] lru: add an element to a memcg list Glauber Costa
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 24/31] list_lru: per-memcg walks Glauber Costa
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 25/31] memcg: per-memcg kmem shrinking Glauber Costa
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 26/31] memcg: scan cache objects hierarchically Glauber Costa
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 27/31] super: targeted memcg reclaim Glauber Costa
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 28/31] memcg: move initialization to memcg creation Glauber Costa
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 29/31] vmpressure: in-kernel notifications Glauber Costa
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 30/31] memcg: reap dead memcgs upon global memory pressure Glauber Costa
2013-05-09  6:06 ` [PATCH v5 31/31] memcg: debugging facility to access dangling memcgs Glauber Costa
2013-05-09 10:55 ` [PATCH v5 00/31] kmemcg shrinkers Mel Gorman
     [not found]   ` <20130509105519.GQ11497-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-09 11:34     ` Glauber Costa
2013-05-09 13:18   ` Dave Chinner
2013-05-09 14:03     ` Mel Gorman
     [not found]       ` <20130509140311.GB11497-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-09 21:24         ` Glauber Costa

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