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From: Waiman Long <waiman.long@hp.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Chandramouleeswaran, Aswin" <aswin@hp.com>,
	"Norton, Scott J" <scott.norton@hp.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] dcache: Translating dentry into pathname without taking rename_lock
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 22:17:04 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5227E9A0.9020802@hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFzbzz4_YNaM+9jAP2Znkjzar42iTM2wFfRX6ySDwBAUeQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 09/04/2013 05:31 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Waiman Long<Waiman.Long@hp.com>  wrote:
>> +       rcu_read_unlock();
>> +       if (read_seqretry(&rename_lock, seq))
>> +               goto restart;
> Btw, you have this pattern twice, and while it's not necessarily
> incorrect, it's a bit worrisome for performance.

The rcu_read_unlock sequence in the middle of prepend_path() is not 
likely to executed. So it shouldn't affect performance exception for the 
conditional check.

> The rcu_read_unlock() is very possibly going to trigger an immediate
> scheduling event, so checking the sequence lock after dropping the
> read-lock sounds like it would make it much easier to hit the race
> with some rename.

I can put read_seqbegin/read_seqretry within the 
rcu_read_lock/rcu_read_unlock block. However, read_seqbegin() can spin 
for a while if a rename is in progress. So it depends on which is more 
important, a shorter RCU critical section at the expense of more retries 
or vice versa.

> I'm also a tiny bit worried about livelocking on the sequence lock in
> the presence of lots of renames, so I'm wondering if the locking
> should try to approximate what we do for the RCU lookup path: start
> off optimistically using just the RCU lock and a sequence point, but
> if that fails, fall back to taking the real lock. Maybe using a
> counter ("try twice, then get the rename lock for writing")
>
> Hmm?

Yes, I can implement a counter that switch to taking the rename_lock if 
the count reaches 0. It shouldn't be too hard. That should avoid the 
possibility of a livelock.

Longman

  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-05  2:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-04 19:05 [PATCH] dcache: Translating dentry into pathname without taking rename_lock Waiman Long
2013-09-04 19:11 ` Al Viro
2013-09-04 19:33   ` Waiman Long
2013-09-04 19:43     ` Al Viro
2013-09-05  1:55       ` Waiman Long
2013-09-05  2:42         ` Al Viro
     [not found]   ` <CA+55aFwW+hWwQd8+NgukSidHbf2bnd6QO0yKK9NAgX+9rt0cOQ@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]     ` <5227E321.4090008@hp.com>
2013-09-05  2:48       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-09-05  4:20         ` Al Viro
2013-09-04 19:26 ` Waiman Long
2013-09-04 20:40   ` John Stoffel
2013-09-05  2:04     ` Waiman Long
2013-09-05 13:29       ` John Stoffel
2013-09-05 17:28         ` Waiman Long
2013-09-04 21:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-09-05  2:17   ` Waiman Long [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-09-05  4:30 George Spelvin
2013-09-05 17:06 ` Waiman Long

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