From: Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Priebe <s.priebe@profihost.ag>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Chinmay V S <cvs268@gmail.com>
Cc: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>
Subject: Re: Why is O_DSYNC on linux so slow / what's wrong with my SSD?
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 14:35:42 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5291038E.4000908@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5290F386.5040806@profihost.ag>
On 11/23/2013 01:27 PM, Stefan Priebe wrote:
> Hi Ric,
>
> Am 22.11.2013 21:37, schrieb Ric Wheeler:
>> On 11/22/2013 03:01 PM, Stefan Priebe wrote:
>>> Hi Christoph,
>>> Am 21.11.2013 11:11, schrieb Christoph Hellwig:
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Some drives may implement CMD_FLUSH to return immediately i.e. no
>>>>> guarantee the data is actually on disk.
>>>>
>>>> In which case they aren't spec complicant. While I've seen countless
>>>> data integrity bugs on lower end ATA SSDs I've not seen one that simpliy
>>>> ingnores flush. If you'd want to cheat that bluntly you'd be better
>>>> of just claiming to not have a writeback cache.
>>>>
>>>> You solve your performance problem by completely disabling any chance
>>>> of having data integrity guarantees, and do so in a way that is not
>>>> detectable for applications or users.
>>>>
>>>> If you have a workload with lots of small synchronous writes disabling
>>>> the writeback cache on the disk does indeed often help, especially with
>>>> the non-queueable FLUSH on all but the most recent ATA devices.
>>>
>>> But this isn't correct for drives with capicitors like Crucial m500,
>>> Intel DC S3500, DC S3700 isn't it? Shouldn't the linux kernel has an
>>> option to disable this for drives like these?
>>> /sys/block/sdX/device/ignore_flush
>>
>> If you know 100% for sure that your drive has a non-volatile write
>> cache, you can run the file system without the flushing by mounting "-o
>> nobarrier". With most devices, this is not needed since they tend to
>> simply ignore the flushes if they know they are power failure safe.
>>
>> Block level, we did something similar for users who are not running
>> through a file system for SCSI devices - James added support to echo
>> "temporary" into the sd's device's cache_type field:
>>
>> See:
>>
>> https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git/commit/?id=2ee3e26c673e75c05ef8b914f54fadee3d7b9c88
>>
>
> At least to me this does not work. I get the same awful speed as before - also
> the I/O waits stay the same. I'm still seeing CMD flushes going to the devices.
>
> Is there any way to check whether the temporary got accepted and works?
>
> I simply executed:
> for i in /sys/class/scsi_disk/*/cache_type; do echo $i; echo temporary write
> back >$i; done
>
> Stefan
What kernel are you running? This is a new addition....
Also, you can "cat" the same file to see what it says.
Regards,
Ric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-11-23 19:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-11-20 12:12 Why is O_DSYNC on linux so slow / what's wrong with my SSD? Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2013-11-20 12:54 ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-11-20 13:34 ` Chinmay V S
2013-11-20 13:38 ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-11-20 14:12 ` Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2013-11-20 15:22 ` Chinmay V S
2013-11-20 15:37 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-11-20 15:55 ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-11-20 17:11 ` Chinmay V S
2013-11-20 17:58 ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-11-20 18:43 ` Chinmay V S
2013-11-21 10:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-11-22 20:01 ` Stefan Priebe
2013-11-22 20:37 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-11-22 21:05 ` Stefan Priebe
2013-11-23 18:27 ` Stefan Priebe
2013-11-23 19:35 ` Ric Wheeler [this message]
2013-11-23 19:48 ` Stefan Priebe
2013-11-25 7:37 ` Stefan Priebe
2020-01-08 6:58 ` slow sync performance on LSI / Broadcom MegaRaid performance with battery cache Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
2013-11-22 19:57 ` Why is O_DSYNC on linux so slow / what's wrong with my SSD? Stefan Priebe
2013-11-24 0:10 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2013-11-20 16:02 ` Howard Chu
2013-11-23 20:36 ` Pavel Machek
2013-11-23 23:01 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-11-24 0:22 ` Pavel Machek
2013-11-24 1:03 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2013-11-24 2:43 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-11-22 19:55 ` Stefan Priebe
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