From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: NeilBrown <neilb-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
Cc: mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
"Aneesh Kumar K.V"
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Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: For review: open_by_name_at(2) man page
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 13:35:06 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <53283D7A.1020409@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140318090007.3adee3d0-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
On 03/17/2014 11:00 PM, NeilBrown wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 16:57:29 +0100 "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)"
> <mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Aneesh, (and others)
>>
>> Below is a man page I've written for name_to_handle_at(2) and
>> open_by_name_at(2). Would you be willing to review it please,
>> and let me know of any corrections/improvements?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Michael
>
> Thanks for writing this Michael. The fact that I can only find very small
> points to comment on reflects the high quality...
Thanks, Neil. But there was at least one good clanger below :-}.
>
>> Otherwise,
>> .IR dirfd
>> must be a file descriptor that refers to a directory, and
> ^^^^^^^
>> .I pathname
>> is interpreted relative to that directory.
>
> As you clarify later, "must be" is not correct. Maybe this is just an issue
> of style, in which case you should obviously keep a consistent style across
> man pages, but to me it sounds wrong. I would use "is generally" or similar.
Yep, good point. In fact, what I did was rewrite that section completely, to
more clearly describe the distinct cases based on dirfd/pathname/AT_EMPTY_PATH.
>> The
>> .IR mountdirfd
>> argument is a file descriptor for a directory under
>> the mount point with respect to which
>> .IR handle
>> should be interpreted.
>
> mountdirfd does not have to be for a directory. It can be for any object in
> the filesystem. And I would say "in", not "under".
> If /foo and /foo/bar are both mountpoints, and I want to look up a
> filehandle for the filesystem mounted at /foo, then opening "/foo/bar"
> wouldn't work even though /foo/bar is "under" /foo. And opening "/foo" would
> work even though "/foo" is not under "/foo/" (is it?).
Good catch. I got deceived by the name of the argument, which in the kernel
source is indeed 'mountdirfd', implying it must be a descriptor for a directory.
I'll rename the argument in the man page to 'mount_fd' and fix the description
as you suggest here:
> The
> .IR mountfd
> argument is a file descriptor for any object (file, directory, etc.) in the
> filesystem with respect to which
I did s/filesystem/mounted filesystem/
> .IR handle
> should be interpreted.
>
> ??
>> .B ESTALE
>> The specified
>> .I handle
>> is no longer valid.
>
> ESTALE is also returned if the filesystem does not support file-handle ->
> file mappings.
> On filesystems which don't provide export_operations (/sys /proc ubifs
> romfs cramfs nfs coda ... several others) name_to_handle_at will produce a
> generic handle using the 32 bit inode and 32 bit i_generation.
Are you sure about this? When I try name_to_handle_at() on /proc and
/sys, it gives an error (EOPNOTSUPP). I haven't tested the other
FSes though, so maybe some of them do what you say.
> open_by_name_at given this (or any) filehandle will fail with ESTALE.
> I don't know how best to include this in the documentation. Maybe a note
> earlier noting that some filesystems do not support open_by_name_at(), and
> you cannot programatically determine which do except by trying.
> At the same time note that a file handle can become in valid if a file is
> deleted or for any other reason as determined by the filesystem, and that the
> error is the same as for when the filesystem doesn't support open_by_name_at.
I've added text about invalid file handles into NOTES, and noted that not all
FSes support the production of file handles, but haven't noted ESTALE for the
latter, since I don't yet know if your statement above is true for some
filesystems.
>> For example, one can use the device name in the fifth field of the
>> .I mountinfo
>> record to search for the corresponding device UUID via the symbolic links in
>> .IR /dev/disks/by-uuid .
>> (A more comfortable way of obtaining the UUID is to use the
>> .\" e.g., http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6748429/using-libblkid-to-find-uuid-of-a-partition
>> .BR libblkid (3)
>> library, which uses the
>> .I /sys
>> filesystem to obtain the same information.)
>
> Does it? My understanding from "man libblkid" (it is a while since I've read
> the code) is that it either uses info in /dev/disks/by-* or reads directly
> from the block devices (maybe using /sys to find them?) and interprets the
> superblock to extract a UUID.
Thanks (and to Christoph) -- I'll just remove the words "which uses the /sys
filesystem to obtain the same information"
>> Now delete and re-create the file with the same inode number;
>> .BR open_by_handle_at ()
>> recognizes that the file referred to by the file handle no longer exists.
>>
>> .in +4n
>> .nf
>> $ \fBstat \-\-printf="%i\\n" cecilia.txt\fP # Display inode number
>> 4072121
>> $ \fBecho 'Warum?' > cecilia.txt\fP
>> $ \fBstat \-\-printf="%i\\n" cecilia.txt\fP # Check inode number
>> 4072121
>> $ \fBsudo ./t_open_by_handle_at < fh\fP
>> open_by_handle_at: Stale NFS file handle
>
> Something is very wrong here.
> echo foo > somefile
> does not "delete and re-create" the file. It opens and truncates.
> That operation should not invalidate the filehandle on any sane filesystem.
Indeed! I don't know quite what I was smoking as I reviewed that piece.
In fact, I started writing this page a long time ago, but then other
events intervened, and it was a long time before I came back to it recently.
Certainly, when I produced that shell session log, things proceeded
(almost) as shown. I'm guessing that what happened is that I by
accident edited out a line
rm cecilia.txt
just before
echo 'Warum?' > cecilia.txt
Fixed now. (In that case of course, it is of course a matter of chance
whether the pathname is re-created with the same i-node number, but if
you are quick, it often is. I'll add some explanation to the page.)
>> if (argc > 1)
>> mount_fd = open(argv[1], O_RDONLY | O_DIRECTORY);
>
> O_DIRECTORY is not appropriate, as mentioned earlier.
Fixed (in two places).
Thanks for the review, Neil. That helped fix a lot of problems in the page.
Cheers,
Michael
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-03-18 12:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-03-17 15:57 For review: open_by_name_at(2) man page Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-03-17 22:00 ` NeilBrown
2014-03-18 9:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-03-18 12:37 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <53283DFB.6040105-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-03-18 22:24 ` NeilBrown
2014-03-19 9:09 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <20140318090007.3adee3d0-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2014-03-18 12:35 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) [this message]
2014-03-18 13:07 ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-03-18 13:30 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-03-18 9:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-03-18 12:41 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-03-18 12:55 ` For review: open_by_name_at(2) man page [v2] Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <53284233.3050800-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-03-19 4:13 ` NeilBrown
[not found] ` <20140319151349.33a76023-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2014-03-19 9:09 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <53295ED0.7070304-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-03-19 14:14 ` For review: open_by_handle_at(2) man page [v3] Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-03-19 6:42 ` For review: open_by_name_at(2) man page [v2] Mike Frysinger
2014-03-19 13:11 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
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