[ANNOUNCE] New Linux Patch Review Group

[ANNOUNCE] New Linux Patch Review Group

[Chris Mason]

Hello everyone,

During last week's Collab summit, Jon Corbet suggested we use the power
of social media to improve the Linux kernel patch review process.

We thought this was a great idea, and have been experimenting with a new
Facebook group dedicated to patch discussion and review.  The new group
provides a dramatically improved development workflow, including:
	
	* One click patch or comment approval
	* Comments enhanced with pictures and video
	* Who has seen your patches and comments
	* Searchable index of past submissions
	* A strong community without anonymous flames

To help capture the group discussion in the final patch submission,
we suggest adding a Liked-by: tag to commits that have been through
group review.

To use the new group, please join:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/linuxpatches/

Once you've joined, you can post patches in the group, or email patches to
linuxpatches@groups.facebook.com

-chris

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Linux Patch Review Group

[Boaz Harrosh]

On 04/01/2014 05:41 PM, Chris Mason wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> During last week's Collab summit, Jon Corbet suggested we use the power
> of social media to improve the Linux kernel patch review process.
> 
> We thought this was a great idea, and have been experimenting with a new
> Facebook group dedicated to patch discussion and review.  The new group
> provides a dramatically improved development workflow, including:
> 	
> 	* One click patch or comment approval
> 	* Comments enhanced with pictures and video
> 	* Who has seen your patches and comments
> 	* Searchable index of past submissions
> 	* A strong community without anonymous flames
> 
> To help capture the group discussion in the final patch submission,
> we suggest adding a Liked-by: tag to commits that have been through
> group review.
> 
> To use the new group, please join:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/linuxpatches/
> 
> Once you've joined, you can post patches in the group, or email patches to
> linuxpatches@groups.facebook.com
> 
> -chris

NACK! I do not have facebook and I do not like patches to be discussed
behind my back. On the mailing list we don't even want HTML with bold
lettered words so no thanks facebook adds nothing

Please obliterate this bad idea.

(And I do not have Facebook shares or care to)

yours truly
Boaz

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Linux Patch Review Group

[Josh Boyer]

On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Boaz Harrosh <openosd@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 04/01/2014 05:41 PM, Chris Mason wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> During last week's Collab summit, Jon Corbet suggested we use the power
>> of social media to improve the Linux kernel patch review process.
>>
>> We thought this was a great idea, and have been experimenting with a new
>> Facebook group dedicated to patch discussion and review.  The new group
>> provides a dramatically improved development workflow, including:
>>
>>       * One click patch or comment approval
>>       * Comments enhanced with pictures and video
>>       * Who has seen your patches and comments
>>       * Searchable index of past submissions
>>       * A strong community without anonymous flames
>>
>> To help capture the group discussion in the final patch submission,
>> we suggest adding a Liked-by: tag to commits that have been through
>> group review.
>>
>> To use the new group, please join:
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/linuxpatches/
>>
>> Once you've joined, you can post patches in the group, or email patches to
>> linuxpatches@groups.facebook.com
>>
>> -chris
>
> NACK! I do not have facebook and I do not like patches to be discussed
> behind my back. On the mailing list we don't even want HTML with bold
> lettered words so no thanks facebook adds nothing
>
> Please obliterate this bad idea.

So for those that don't use Facebook, we're also setting up a twitter
account that tweets patches 140 characters at a time.  This should
help with review by automatically splitting up patches into manageable
140 character chunks.

josh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools%27_Day

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Linux Patch Review Group

[Chris Mason]

On 04/01/2014 11:16 AM, Boaz Harrosh wrote:
> On 04/01/2014 05:41 PM, Chris Mason wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> During last week's Collab summit, Jon Corbet suggested we use the power
>> of social media to improve the Linux kernel patch review process.
>>
>> We thought this was a great idea, and have been experimenting with a new
>> Facebook group dedicated to patch discussion and review.  The new group
>> provides a dramatically improved development workflow, including:
>> 	
>> 	* One click patch or comment approval
>> 	* Comments enhanced with pictures and video
>> 	* Who has seen your patches and comments
>> 	* Searchable index of past submissions
>> 	* A strong community without anonymous flames
>>
>> To help capture the group discussion in the final patch submission,
>> we suggest adding a Liked-by: tag to commits that have been through
>> group review.
>>
>> To use the new group, please join:
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/linuxpatches/
>>
>> Once you've joined, you can post patches in the group, or email patches to
>> linuxpatches@groups.facebook.com
>>
>> -chris
>
> NACK! I do not have facebook and I do not like patches to be discussed
> behind my back. On the mailing list we don't even want HTML with bold
> lettered words so no thanks facebook adds nothing
>
> Please obliterate this bad idea.
>
> (And I do not have Facebook shares or care to)

It's always hard to move on to new technologies. But at some point we 
have to recognize that the internet has developed a rich culture that 
the kernel community isn't taking full advantage of.

I certainly don't expect everyone to convert right away, but there's a 
whole world out there beyond port 25.

-chris

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Linux Patch Review Group

[Steven Rostedt]

On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 11:24:43AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
> 
> So for those that don't use Facebook, we're also setting up a twitter
> account that tweets patches 140 characters at a time.  This should
> help with review by automatically splitting up patches into manageable
> 140 character chunks.

What a great way to up our commit count for the LWN statistics too!

Acked-by: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>

-- Steve

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Linux Patch Review Group

[Felipe Balbi]

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On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 11:40:16AM -0400, Chris Mason wrote:
> 
> 
> On 04/01/2014 11:16 AM, Boaz Harrosh wrote:
> >On 04/01/2014 05:41 PM, Chris Mason wrote:
> >>
> >>Hello everyone,
> >>
> >>During last week's Collab summit, Jon Corbet suggested we use the power
> >>of social media to improve the Linux kernel patch review process.
> >>
> >>We thought this was a great idea, and have been experimenting with a new
> >>Facebook group dedicated to patch discussion and review.  The new group
> >>provides a dramatically improved development workflow, including:
> >>	
> >>	* One click patch or comment approval
> >>	* Comments enhanced with pictures and video
> >>	* Who has seen your patches and comments
> >>	* Searchable index of past submissions
> >>	* A strong community without anonymous flames
> >>
> >>To help capture the group discussion in the final patch submission,
> >>we suggest adding a Liked-by: tag to commits that have been through
> >>group review.
> >>
> >>To use the new group, please join:
> >>
> >>https://www.facebook.com/groups/linuxpatches/
> >>
> >>Once you've joined, you can post patches in the group, or email patches to
> >>linuxpatches@groups.facebook.com
> >>
> >>-chris
> >
> >NACK! I do not have facebook and I do not like patches to be discussed
> >behind my back. On the mailing list we don't even want HTML with bold
> >lettered words so no thanks facebook adds nothing
> >
> >Please obliterate this bad idea.
> >
> >(And I do not have Facebook shares or care to)
> 
> It's always hard to move on to new technologies. But at some point we have
> to recognize that the internet has developed a rich culture that the kernel
> community isn't taking full advantage of.
> 
> I certainly don't expect everyone to convert right away, but there's a whole
> world out there beyond port 25.

Agreed

Acked-by: Felipe Balbi <balbi@ti.com>

We might even be able to "recruit" a much more diverse group of
reviewers who are undiscovered as of now ;-)

-- 
balbi

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Linux Patch Review Group

[Christian Stroetmann]

On Tue, 01.April.2014 17:55, Felipe Balbi wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 11:40:16AM -0400, Chris Mason wrote:
>>
>> On 04/01/2014 11:16 AM, Boaz Harrosh wrote:
>>> On 04/01/2014 05:41 PM, Chris Mason wrote:
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>
>>>> During last week's Collab summit, Jon Corbet suggested we use the power
>>>> of social media to improve the Linux kernel patch review process.
>>>>
>>>> We thought this was a great idea, and have been experimenting with a new
>>>> Facebook group dedicated to patch discussion and review.  The new group
>>>> provides a dramatically improved development workflow, including:
>>>> 	
>>>> 	* One click patch or comment approval
>>>> 	* Comments enhanced with pictures and video
>>>> 	* Who has seen your patches and comments
>>>> 	* Searchable index of past submissions
>>>> 	* A strong community without anonymous flames
>>>>
>>>> To help capture the group discussion in the final patch submission,
>>>> we suggest adding a Liked-by: tag to commits that have been through
>>>> group review.
>>>>
>>>> To use the new group, please join:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/linuxpatches/
>>>>
>>>> Once you've joined, you can post patches in the group, or email patches to
>>>> linuxpatches@groups.facebook.com
>>>>
>>>> -chris
>>> NACK! I do not have facebook and I do not like patches to be discussed
>>> behind my back. On the mailing list we don't even want HTML with bold
>>> lettered words so no thanks facebook adds nothing
>>>
>>> Please obliterate this bad idea.
>>>
>>> (And I do not have Facebook shares or care to)
>> It's always hard to move on to new technologies. But at some point we have
>> to recognize that the internet has developed a rich culture that the kernel
>> community isn't taking full advantage of.
>>
>> I certainly don't expect everyone to convert right away, but there's a whole
>> world out there beyond port 25.
> Agreed
>
> Acked-by: Felipe Balbi<balbi@ti.com>
>
> We might even be able to "recruit" a much more diverse group of
> reviewers who are undiscovered as of now ;-)
>
Sorry, but definitely: Nack!!!

First of all, I do not think that it will truely support the whole 
(business) process of code development and review.
Also, I do not think that it will attract more developers and reviewers.
But if you really think that your arguments are right, then why do not 
use a solution that is based on the same social concepts like for 
example Linux itself and set up an own social network or channel for the 
whole Linux "eco-system" respectively community by using for example 
Friendica [1], Diaspora [2], StatusNet [3], pump.io [4], or what else fits.



Have fun
Christian Stroetmannn

[1] Friendica www.friendica.com
[2] Diaspora diasporafoundation.org
[3] StatusNet www.status.net
[4] pump.io www.pump.io

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Linux Patch Review Group

[Richard Weinberger]

On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Christian Stroetmann
<stroetmann@ontolinux.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 01.April.2014 17:55, Felipe Balbi wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 11:40:16AM -0400, Chris Mason wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/01/2014 11:16 AM, Boaz Harrosh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 04/01/2014 05:41 PM, Chris Mason wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> During last week's Collab summit, Jon Corbet suggested we use the power
>>>>> of social media to improve the Linux kernel patch review process.
>>>>>
>>>>> We thought this was a great idea, and have been experimenting with a
>>>>> new
>>>>> Facebook group dedicated to patch discussion and review.  The new group
>>>>> provides a dramatically improved development workflow, including:
>>>>>
>>>>>         * One click patch or comment approval
>>>>>         * Comments enhanced with pictures and video
>>>>>         * Who has seen your patches and comments
>>>>>         * Searchable index of past submissions
>>>>>         * A strong community without anonymous flames
>>>>>
>>>>> To help capture the group discussion in the final patch submission,
>>>>> we suggest adding a Liked-by: tag to commits that have been through
>>>>> group review.
>>>>>
>>>>> To use the new group, please join:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/linuxpatches/
>>>>>
>>>>> Once you've joined, you can post patches in the group, or email patches
>>>>> to
>>>>> linuxpatches@groups.facebook.com
>>>>>
>>>>> -chris
>>>>
>>>> NACK! I do not have facebook and I do not like patches to be discussed
>>>> behind my back. On the mailing list we don't even want HTML with bold
>>>> lettered words so no thanks facebook adds nothing
>>>>
>>>> Please obliterate this bad idea.
>>>>
>>>> (And I do not have Facebook shares or care to)
>>>
>>> It's always hard to move on to new technologies. But at some point we
>>> have
>>> to recognize that the internet has developed a rich culture that the
>>> kernel
>>> community isn't taking full advantage of.
>>>
>>> I certainly don't expect everyone to convert right away, but there's a
>>> whole
>>> world out there beyond port 25.
>>
>> Agreed
>>
>> Acked-by: Felipe Balbi<balbi@ti.com>
>>
>> We might even be able to "recruit" a much more diverse group of
>> reviewers who are undiscovered as of now ;-)
>>
> Sorry, but definitely: Nack!!!

We (the majority of the Linux maintainers) voted already on fb.com to
make it out primary developing eco system
and will abandon LKML starting with April 1st.

-- 
Thanks,
//richard

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Linux Patch Review Group

[Christian Stroetmann]

Am 02.04.2014 00:02, schrieb Richard Weinberger:
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Christian Stroetmann
> <stroetmann@ontolinux.com>  wrote:
>> On Tue, 01.April.2014 17:55, Felipe Balbi wrote:
>>> On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 11:40:16AM -0400, Chris Mason wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 04/01/2014 11:16 AM, Boaz Harrosh wrote:
>>>>> On 04/01/2014 05:41 PM, Chris Mason wrote:
>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> During last week's Collab summit, Jon Corbet suggested we use the power
>>>>>> of social media to improve the Linux kernel patch review process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We thought this was a great idea, and have been experimenting with a
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> Facebook group dedicated to patch discussion and review.  The new group
>>>>>> provides a dramatically improved development workflow, including:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>          * One click patch or comment approval
>>>>>>          * Comments enhanced with pictures and video
>>>>>>          * Who has seen your patches and comments
>>>>>>          * Searchable index of past submissions
>>>>>>          * A strong community without anonymous flames
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To help capture the group discussion in the final patch submission,
>>>>>> we suggest adding a Liked-by: tag to commits that have been through
>>>>>> group review.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To use the new group, please join:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/linuxpatches/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once you've joined, you can post patches in the group, or email patches
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> linuxpatches@groups.facebook.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -chris
>>>>> NACK! I do not have facebook and I do not like patches to be discussed
>>>>> behind my back. On the mailing list we don't even want HTML with bold
>>>>> lettered words so no thanks facebook adds nothing
>>>>>
>>>>> Please obliterate this bad idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> (And I do not have Facebook shares or care to)
>>>> It's always hard to move on to new technologies. But at some point we
>>>> have
>>>> to recognize that the internet has developed a rich culture that the
>>>> kernel
>>>> community isn't taking full advantage of.
>>>>
>>>> I certainly don't expect everyone to convert right away, but there's a
>>>> whole
>>>> world out there beyond port 25.
>>> Agreed
>>>
>>> Acked-by: Felipe Balbi<balbi@ti.com>
>>>
>>> We might even be able to "recruit" a much more diverse group of
>>> reviewers who are undiscovered as of now ;-)
>>>
>> Sorry, but definitely: Nack!!!
> We (the majority of the Linux maintainers) voted already on fb.com to
> make it out primary developing eco system
> and will abandon LKML starting with April 1st.
>

Please, allow me to ask some questions:
1. It was proposed "During last week's Collab summit" and now it is 
decided already?
2. Do you have a link to the discussion on LKML or somewhere else?
3. Did you voted on fb.com or on LKML during?
4. Is there a link to the vote or any related informations?
5. You mean with "April 1st" since today respectively yesterday LKML 
will be stopped to function?
6. And with "eco system" you mean that a majority of the Linux 
maintainers want to use fb.com for the development of Linux?

Honestly, I do not find this funny somehow, but a little curious.



Best regards
C. Stroetmann

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Linux Patch Review Group

[Steven Rostedt]

On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 12:20:31AM +0200, Christian Stroetmann wrote:
> 
> Please, allow me to ask some questions:
> 1. It was proposed "During last week's Collab summit" and now it is
> decided already?
> 2. Do you have a link to the discussion on LKML or somewhere else?
> 3. Did you voted on fb.com or on LKML during?
> 4. Is there a link to the vote or any related informations?
> 5. You mean with "April 1st" since today respectively yesterday LKML
> will be stopped to function?

As it is no longer April 1st for you. We will have to start implementing it 
come April 1st 2015.

-- Steve

> 6. And with "eco system" you mean that a majority of the Linux
> maintainers want to use fb.com for the development of Linux?
> 
> Honestly, I do not find this funny somehow, but a little curious.
> 

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Linux Patch Review Group

[Christian Stroetmann]

Am 02.04.2014 00:20, schrieb Christian Stroetmann:
> Am 02.04.2014 00:02, schrieb Richard Weinberger:
>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Christian Stroetmann
>> <stroetmann@ontolinux.com>  wrote:
>>> On Tue, 01.April.2014 17:55, Felipe Balbi wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 11:40:16AM -0400, Chris Mason wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 04/01/2014 11:16 AM, Boaz Harrosh wrote:
>>>>>> On 04/01/2014 05:41 PM, Chris Mason wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> During last week's Collab summit, Jon Corbet suggested we use 
>>>>>>> the power
>>>>>>> of social media to improve the Linux kernel patch review process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We thought this was a great idea, and have been experimenting 
>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>> Facebook group dedicated to patch discussion and review.  The 
>>>>>>> new group
>>>>>>> provides a dramatically improved development workflow, including:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>          * One click patch or comment approval
>>>>>>>          * Comments enhanced with pictures and video
>>>>>>>          * Who has seen your patches and comments
>>>>>>>          * Searchable index of past submissions
>>>>>>>          * A strong community without anonymous flames
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To help capture the group discussion in the final patch submission,
>>>>>>> we suggest adding a Liked-by: tag to commits that have been through
>>>>>>> group review.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To use the new group, please join:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/linuxpatches/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once you've joined, you can post patches in the group, or email 
>>>>>>> patches
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> linuxpatches@groups.facebook.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -chris
>>>>>> NACK! I do not have facebook and I do not like patches to be 
>>>>>> discussed
>>>>>> behind my back. On the mailing list we don't even want HTML with 
>>>>>> bold
>>>>>> lettered words so no thanks facebook adds nothing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please obliterate this bad idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (And I do not have Facebook shares or care to)
>>>>> It's always hard to move on to new technologies. But at some point we
>>>>> have
>>>>> to recognize that the internet has developed a rich culture that the
>>>>> kernel
>>>>> community isn't taking full advantage of.
>>>>>
>>>>> I certainly don't expect everyone to convert right away, but 
>>>>> there's a
>>>>> whole
>>>>> world out there beyond port 25.
>>>> Agreed
>>>>
>>>> Acked-by: Felipe Balbi<balbi@ti.com>
>>>>
>>>> We might even be able to "recruit" a much more diverse group of
>>>> reviewers who are undiscovered as of now ;-)
>>>>
>>> Sorry, but definitely: Nack!!!
>> We (the majority of the Linux maintainers) voted already on fb.com to
>> make it out primary developing eco system
>> and will abandon LKML starting with April 1st.
>>
>
> Please, allow me to ask some questions:
> 1. It was proposed "During last week's Collab summit" and now it is 
> decided already?
> 2. Do you have a link to the discussion on LKML or somewhere else?
> 3. Did you voted on fb.com or on LKML during?
> 4. Is there a link to the vote or any related informations?
> 5. You mean with "April 1st" since today respectively yesterday LKML 
> will be stopped to function?
> 6. And with "eco system" you mean that a majority of the Linux 
> maintainers want to use fb.com for the development of Linux?
>
> Honestly, I do not find this funny somehow, but a little curious.
>
>
>
> Best regards
> C. Stroetmann
>

If it was an April fool hoax, then I have to applaud Chris Mason and the 
others a lot, get the post address for the beer, thank everybody for 
telling me that there is a world besides the monitor, and beg your 
pardon for my seriousness.
Now, it seems to be that I have to learn how to get my fb.com account 
until April 2015. Hopefully, I can find a helping hand for this modern 
technology.

Nevertheless, my suggestion to set such a platfrom up with an open 
source framework was really meant in this way.



Good luck
Christian Stroetmann

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Linux Patch Review Group

[Li Zefan]

On 2014/4/1 22:41, Chris Mason wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> During last week's Collab summit, Jon Corbet suggested we use the power
> of social media to improve the Linux kernel patch review process.
> 
> We thought this was a great idea, and have been experimenting with a new
> Facebook group dedicated to patch discussion and review.  The new group
> provides a dramatically improved development workflow, including:
> 	
> 	* One click patch or comment approval
> 	* Comments enhanced with pictures and video
> 	* Who has seen your patches and comments
> 	* Searchable index of past submissions
> 	* A strong community without anonymous flames
> 
> To help capture the group discussion in the final patch submission,
> we suggest adding a Liked-by: tag to commits that have been through
> group review.
> 
> To use the new group, please join:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/linuxpatches/
> 
> Once you've joined, you can post patches in the group, or email patches to
> linuxpatches@groups.facebook.com
> 

This is really a great idea! Unfortunately it's also a big block
to us Chinese developers, as we can't access www.facebook.com.

Any thing facebook can do? Like setup a www.facebook.cn and build
a blacklist so unwelcome messages won't show up in fb.cn.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Linux Patch Review Group

[Chris Mason]

On 04/01/2014 09:39 PM, Li Zefan wrote:
> On 2014/4/1 22:41, Chris Mason wrote:

>> Once you've joined, you can post patches in the group, or email patches to
>> linuxpatches@groups.facebook.com
>>
>
> This is really a great idea! Unfortunately it's also a big block
> to us Chinese developers, as we can't access www.facebook.com.
>
> Any thing facebook can do? Like setup a www.facebook.cn and build
> a blacklist so unwelcome messages won't show up in fb.cn.

I have to admit, this isn't an area I know much about.  I'll ask around.

-chris

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Linux Patch Review Group

[Alex Elsayed]

Chris Mason wrote:

> On 04/01/2014 09:39 PM, Li Zefan wrote:
>> On 2014/4/1 22:41, Chris Mason wrote:
> 
>>> Once you've joined, you can post patches in the group, or email patches
>>> to linuxpatches@groups.facebook.com
>>>
>>
>> This is really a great idea! Unfortunately it's also a big block
>> to us Chinese developers, as we can't access www.facebook.com.
>>
>> Any thing facebook can do? Like setup a www.facebook.cn and build
>> a blacklist so unwelcome messages won't show up in fb.cn.
> 
> I have to admit, this isn't an area I know much about.  I'll ask around.
> 

I can see it now - "The case of the disappearing IVI patches," in which 
hardware-enablement for a fuel gauge controller becomes blocked due to the 
developers having named the device "tankman"