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From: Phillip Susi <psusi@ubuntu.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@linux.intel.com>
Cc: "Zuckerman, Boris" <borisz@hp.com>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Tracking actual disk write sources instead of flush thread
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 15:39:19 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <535816E7.2070106@ubuntu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140423134805.GB13050@linux.intel.com>

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On 4/23/2014 9:48 AM, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> How do you 'envision' this zero-overhead trace, exactly?

The same way blktrace currently works: the accounting code is not run
until enabled.  When disabled, nothing more runs than does now.
Obviously while actively tracing, there would be overhead.

> I don't understand your high-level goal, which makes suggesting 
> low-overhead solutions hard.  Can you tolerate a certain amount of 
> ambiguity, for example?  Do you really only want to track back to
> the UID that is causing the I/O?  With shared mmaps, are you OK
> attributing the I/O to one of the processes that has written to it,
> or do you need to attribute the write to all the processes that
> have written to that page?

I suppose the first process that dirties the page would be fine.  It
isn't very often that more than one process is writing to the same
data at the same time.

> You're coming off kind of condescending, which isn't a great
> approach when you're asking for a new feature to be implemented.

I'm just a little flabbergasted that this regression ( I'm sure there
was a time when the current io accounting mechanism did work, probably
before the buffer_head -> page cache transition way, *way* back when )
went unfixed for so long, especially when it is kind of a vital tool
for a sysadmin trying to figure out why his system is slow.  I think
every sysadmin out there takes it for granted that running iotop
should let them spot what process or processes are the source of all
the IO, so I almost can't believe that it doesn't really work.


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  reply	other threads:[~2014-04-23 19:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-16  2:01 Tracking actual disk write sources instead of flush thread Phillip Susi
2014-04-16 14:01 ` Matthew Wilcox
2014-04-16 15:15   ` Phillip Susi
2014-04-16 16:42     ` Andreas Dilger
2014-04-16 17:44     ` Zuckerman, Boris
2014-04-16 18:18       ` Phillip Susi
2014-04-16 18:28         ` Zuckerman, Boris
2014-04-16 19:27           ` Phillip Susi
2014-04-23 13:48             ` Matthew Wilcox
2014-04-23 19:39               ` Phillip Susi [this message]
2014-04-23 23:00                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-04-24  1:20                   ` Phillip Susi
2014-04-23 23:19                 ` Andreas Dilger
2014-04-24  1:39                   ` Phillip Susi
2014-04-28  3:27                   ` Andi Kleen
2014-04-16 19:33     ` Andi Kleen
2014-04-24 19:33     ` Jan Kara

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