From: Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@linux.intel.com>,
"Martin K. Petersen" <mkp@mkp.net>,
"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Write atomicity guarantees
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 14:03:53 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <53595209.50906@fb.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140424173909.GB5886@linux.intel.com>
On 04/24/2014 01:39 PM, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
>
> NVMe allows the drive to tell the host what atomicity guarantees it
> provides for a write command. At the moment, I don't think Linux has
> a way for the driver to pass that information up to the filesystem.
>
> The value that is most interesting to report is Atomic Write Unit Power
> Fail ("if you send a write no larger than this, the drive guarantees to
> write all of it or none of it"), minimum value 1 sector. [1]
>
> There's a proposal before the NVMe workgroup to add a boundary size/offset
> to modify AWUPF ("except if you cross this boundary, then AWUPF is not
> guaranteed"). Think RAID stripe crossing.
>
> So, three questions. Is there somewhere already to pass boundary
> information up to the filesystem? Can filesystems make use of a larger
> atomic write unit than a single sector? And, if the device is internally
> a RAID device, is knowing the boundary size/offset useful?
>
>
> [1] There is also Atomic Write Unit Normal ("if you send two writes,
> neither of which is larger than this, subsequent reads will get either
> one or the other, not a mixture of both"), which I don't think we care
> about because the page cache prevents us from sending two writes which
> overlap with each other.
I think we really need the atomics to be vectored. Send N writes which
as a unit are not larger than X, but which may span anywhere on device.
An array with writeback cache, or a log structured squirrel in the FTL
should be able to provide this pretty easily?
The immediate use case is mysql (16K writes) on a fragmented filesystem.
The FS needs to be able to collect a single atomic write made up of N
4K sectors.
-chris
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-04-24 18:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-04-24 17:39 Write atomicity guarantees Matthew Wilcox
2014-04-24 18:03 ` Chris Mason [this message]
2014-04-24 18:23 ` Dan Williams
2014-04-24 18:50 ` Chris Mason
2014-04-24 19:27 ` Dave Chinner
[not found] ` <CAN7X1U=yjcxW16C8H9G5WWEOj1S5Wh0O26WpE5QrC38biRShtw@mail.gmail.com>
2014-04-24 18:25 ` Matthew Wilcox
2014-04-24 18:44 ` Chris Mason
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