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From: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
To: David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@gmail.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Ryan Lortie <desrt@desrt.ca>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <greg@kroah.com>,
	John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.net>,
	Daniel Mack <zonque@gmail.com>, Kay Sievers <kay@vrfy.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Tony Battersby <tonyb@cybernetics.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/7] File Sealing & memfd_create()
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 11:54:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53A01049.6020502@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANq1E4QQUKHabheq18AzkVZk3WDtAeC-6W66tVNB+EKgYOx1Vg@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/13/2014 05:33 PM, David Herrmann wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
>> Isn't the point of SEAL_SHRINK to allow servers to mmap and read
>> safely without worrying about SIGBUS?
>
> No, I don't think so.
> The point of SEAL_SHRINK is to prevent a file from shrinking. SIGBUS
> is an effect, not a cause. It's only a coincidence that "OOM during
> reads" and "reading beyond file-boundaries" has the same effect:
> SIGBUS.
> We only protect against reading beyond file-boundaries due to
> shrinking. Therefore, OOM-SIGBUS is unrelated to SEAL_SHRINK.
>
> Anyone dealing with mmap() _has_ to use mlock() to protect against
> OOM-SIGBUS. Making SEAL_SHRINK protect against OOM-SIGBUS would be
> redundant, because you can achieve the same with SEAL_SHRINK+mlock().

I don't think this is what potential users expect because mlock requires 
capabilities which are not available to them.

A couple of weeks ago, sealing was to be applied to anonymous shared 
memory.  Has this changed?  Why should *reading* it trigger OOM?

-- 
Florian Weimer / Red Hat Product Security Team

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-17  9:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-13 10:36 [PATCH v3 0/7] File Sealing & memfd_create() David Herrmann
2014-06-13 10:36 ` [PATCH v3 1/7] mm: allow drivers to prevent new writable mappings David Herrmann
2014-07-09  8:55   ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-19 16:12     ` David Herrmann
2014-06-13 10:36 ` [PATCH v3 2/7] shm: add sealing API David Herrmann
2014-07-16 10:06   ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-19 16:17     ` David Herrmann
2014-06-13 10:36 ` [PATCH v3 3/7] shm: add memfd_create() syscall David Herrmann
2014-06-13 12:27   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-06-13 12:41     ` David Herrmann
2014-06-13 14:20       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]         ` <CAKgNAkgMA39AfoSoA5Pe1r9N+ZzfYQNvNPvcRN7tOvRb8+v06Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-13 16:20           ` John Stultz
2014-06-16  4:12             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-07-08 18:39         ` David Herrmann
2014-06-15 10:50   ` Jann Horn
2014-07-16 10:07   ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-19 16:29     ` David Herrmann
2014-06-13 10:36 ` [PATCH v3 4/7] selftests: add memfd_create() + sealing tests David Herrmann
2014-07-16 10:07   ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-19 16:31     ` David Herrmann
2014-06-13 10:36 ` [PATCH v3 5/7] selftests: add memfd/sealing page-pinning tests David Herrmann
2014-07-16 10:08   ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-19 16:32     ` David Herrmann
2014-06-13 10:36 ` [RFC v3 6/7] shm: wait for pins to be released when sealing David Herrmann
2014-07-16 10:09   ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-19 16:36     ` David Herrmann
2014-06-13 10:36 ` [RFC v3 7/7] shm: isolate pinned pages when sealing files David Herrmann
2014-06-13 15:06   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-13 15:27     ` David Herrmann
2014-06-13 17:23       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-07-09  8:57   ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-19 16:40     ` David Herrmann
2014-06-13 15:10 ` [PATCH v3 0/7] File Sealing & memfd_create() Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]   ` <CALCETrVoE+JO2rLsBUHAOJdvescEEjxikj8iQ339Nxfopfc7pw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-13 15:15     ` David Herrmann
     [not found]       ` <CANq1E4SaWLD=hNEc-CDJbNnrGfXE_PkxZFBhpW4tbK7wor7xPA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-13 15:17         ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]           ` <CALCETrU8N9EbnJ3=oQ1WQCG9Vunn3nR9Ba=J48wJm0SuH0YB4A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-13 15:33             ` David Herrmann
2014-06-17  9:54               ` Florian Weimer [this message]
     [not found]                 ` <53A01049.6020502-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-17 10:01                   ` David Herrmann
2014-06-17 10:04                     ` Florian Weimer
2014-06-17 10:10                       ` David Herrmann
2014-06-17 12:13                         ` Florian Weimer
     [not found]                           ` <53A030E9.7010701-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-17 13:26                             ` David Herrmann
2014-06-17 16:20                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-17 16:36                       ` David Herrmann
2014-06-17 16:41                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-17 16:51                           ` David Herrmann
2014-06-17 17:01                             ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                               ` <CALCETrWCbc=nhK-_+=uwCpUH0ZYWJXLwObVzAQeT20q8STa4Gw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-17 20:31                                 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-06-17 21:25                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-07-08 16:54 ` David Herrmann
2014-07-09  8:53   ` Hugh Dickins

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