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From: Boaz Harrosh <boaz@plexistor.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@linux.intel.com>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <matthew.r.wilcox@intel.com>,
	linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org
Subject: Re: [Linux-nvdimm] [PATCH 1/9] SQUASHME: pmem: Remove unused #include headers
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 14:35:09 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <541188ED.9090709@plexistor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140910191642.GI27730@localhost.localdomain>

On 09/10/2014 10:16 PM, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
<>
> 
> Woah, woah, woah, what is this craziness?  You shouldn't ever rely on
> implicitly included files.
> 

It is fine I do not mind the language ;-)

I'm not going to fight you over this *I could really care less*, but for
the record you are wrong.

If header B has an API like
typeA1 b_foo(typeA2 a2, typeA3 a3);
where typeA1, typeA2, typeA3 are from an included header A
and code in C.c needs the use of b_foo(), or even say b_foo is a vector
that C.c needs to implement. Then typeA1, typeA2, typeA3 are explicit
by B not implicit.

Implicit is if B has private structures with say typeXy from header X
but my code does not need to declare or implement any X types. in order
to use public API of B.

[Ax]
The mathematical proof as I said is. If B can be changed in such a way
that C.c code will not compile, but the only changes to C.c will be an
#include <X> directive "then X is implicitly included from B".
But if for C.c to compile after the changes to B more than #include
fixes, but actual code need changing, "then X is explicitly included from B"

That said. my opinion from 35 years of coding (Yes 1989) is that since there
is no tool that can measure [Ax] then the only sane/logical programming model
is actually the "minimal set". Which has performance merits as well.
And when a developer changes such an important aspects of B, its includes
chain, he needs to pay and fix miss-compiling users. All efforts measured,
this is a least-maintenance effort. My $0.017

sigh
Boaz


  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-11 11:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-27 21:11 [PATCH 0/4] Add persistent memory driver Ross Zwisler
2014-08-27 21:11 ` [PATCH 1/4] pmem: Initial version of " Ross Zwisler
2014-09-09 16:23   ` [PATCH v2] " Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-09 16:53     ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Dan Williams
2014-09-10 13:23       ` Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-10 17:03         ` Dan Williams
2014-09-10 17:47           ` Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-10 23:01             ` Dan Williams
2014-09-11 10:45               ` Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-11 16:31                 ` Dan Williams
2014-09-14 11:18                   ` Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-16 13:54                     ` Jeff Moyer
2014-09-16 16:24                       ` Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-19 16:27                       ` Dan Williams
2014-09-21  9:27                         ` Boaz Harrosh
2014-11-02  3:22   ` [PATCH 1/4] " Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2014-11-03 15:50     ` Jeff Moyer
2014-11-03 16:19     ` Wilcox, Matthew R
2014-11-04 10:37       ` Boaz Harrosh
2014-11-04 16:26         ` Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2014-11-04 16:41           ` Ross Zwisler
2014-11-04 17:06             ` Boaz Harrosh
2014-08-27 21:12 ` [PATCH 2/4] pmem: Add support for getgeo() Ross Zwisler
2014-11-02  3:27   ` Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2014-11-03 16:36     ` Wilcox, Matthew R
2014-08-27 21:12 ` [PATCH 3/4] pmem: Add support for rw_page() Ross Zwisler
2014-08-27 21:12 ` [PATCH 4/4] pmem: Add support for direct_access() Ross Zwisler
2014-09-09 15:37 ` [PATCH 0/9] pmem: Fixes and farther development (mm: add_persistent_memory) Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-09 15:40   ` [PATCH 1/9] SQUASHME: pmem: Remove unused #include headers Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-09 22:29     ` Ross Zwisler
2014-09-10 11:36       ` Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-10 19:16       ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Matthew Wilcox
2014-09-11 11:35         ` Boaz Harrosh [this message]
2014-09-11 19:34           ` Matthew Wilcox
2014-09-09 15:41   ` [PATCH 2/9] SQUASHME: pmem: Request from fdisk 4k alignment Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-11 18:39     ` Ross Zwisler
2014-09-14 11:25       ` Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-09 15:43   ` [PATCH 3/9] SQUASHME: pmem: Let each device manage private memory region Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-11 20:35     ` Ross Zwisler
2014-09-09 15:44   ` [PATCH 4/9] SQUASHME: pmem: Support of multiple memory regions Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-09 15:45   ` [PATCH 5/9] mm: Let sparse_{add,remove}_one_section receive a node_id Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-09 18:36     ` Dave Hansen
2014-09-10 10:07       ` Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-10 16:10         ` Dave Hansen
2014-09-10 17:25           ` Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-10 18:28             ` Dave Hansen
2014-09-11  8:39               ` Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-11 17:07                 ` Dave Hansen
2014-09-14  9:36                   ` Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-09 15:47   ` [PATCH 6/9] mm: New add_persistent_memory/remove_persistent_memory Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-09 15:48   ` [PATCH 7/9] pmem: Add support for page structs Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-09 15:49   ` [PATCH 8/9] SQUASHME: pmem: Fixs to getgeo Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-09 15:51   ` [PATCH 9/9] pmem: KISS, remove register_blkdev Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-10 16:50   ` [PATCH] SQUASHME pmem: Micro optimization for pmem_direct_access Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-10 22:32     ` Ross Zwisler
2014-09-11 11:42       ` Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-14 14:58     ` [PATCH v2] SQUASHME pmem: Micro optimize the hotpath Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-14 16:02       ` [PATCH] SQUASHME: pmem: no need to copy a page at a time Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-15  0:23         ` Wilcox, Matthew R
2014-09-15  8:47           ` Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-10 17:50   ` [PATCH] SQUASHME: pmem: Add MODULE_ALIAS Boaz Harrosh
2014-09-10 19:22     ` Ross Zwisler
2014-09-11 11:44       ` Boaz Harrosh

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