From: "Indan Zupancic" <indan@nul.nu>
To: "Tetsuo Handa" <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>
Cc: david@davidnewall.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch 1/2] [RFC] Simple tamper-proof device filesystem.
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:44:50 +0100 (CET) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <54137.81.207.0.53.1197891890.squirrel@secure.samage.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200712170040.lBH0e6sf099887@www262.sakura.ne.jp>
Hi,
On Mon, December 17, 2007 01:40, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> Hello.
>
> Indan Zupancic wrote:
>> What prevents them from mounting tmpfs on top of /dev, bypassing your fs?
> Mandatory access control (MAC) prevents them from mounting tmpfs on top of
> /dev .
> MAC mediates namespace manipulation requests such as mount()/umount().
>
>> Also, if they have root there are plenty of ways to prevent an administrator
>> from logging in, e.g. using iptables or changing the password.
> MAC mediates execution of /sbin/iptables or /usr/bin/passwd .
>
> So, use of this filesystem alone is meaningless because
> attackers with root privileges can do what you are saying.
> But use of this filesystem with MAC is still valid because
> MAC can prevent attackers with root privileges from doing what you are saying.
If MAC can avoid all that, then why can't it also avoid tampering with /dev?
What security does your filesystem add at all, if it's useless without a MAC
doing
all the hard work?
I think you can better spend your time on read-only bind mounts.
Greetings,
Indan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-12-17 11:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20071216080441.435456586@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
[not found] ` <20071216080628.061470932@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
2007-12-16 10:44 ` [patch 0/2] [RFC] Simple tamper-proof device filesystem Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-16 10:56 ` [patch 1/2] " Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-06 15:29 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-18 15:55 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-12-18 16:43 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-16 11:21 ` David Newall
2007-12-16 11:26 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-16 11:31 ` David Newall
2007-12-16 11:36 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-16 11:58 ` David Newall
2007-12-16 12:03 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-16 12:14 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-17 6:00 ` David Newall
2007-12-18 15:33 ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2007-12-16 16:52 ` Indan Zupancic
2007-12-16 19:48 ` Al Viro
2007-12-17 0:40 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-17 11:44 ` Indan Zupancic [this message]
2007-12-17 12:59 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-17 13:05 ` Al Boldi
2007-12-17 13:16 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-18 15:22 ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2007-12-19 12:11 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-19 19:14 ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2007-12-17 13:32 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-17 6:42 ` penguin-kernel
2007-12-17 19:48 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20071217194802.GA14156-6s5zFf/epYLPQpwDFJZrxKsjOiXwFzmk@public.gmane.org>
2007-12-18 0:03 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-18 0:39 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-12-18 1:39 ` Oren Laadan
2007-12-18 2:09 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-12-18 3:04 ` Oren Laadan
2007-12-19 9:43 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-12-19 14:10 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-12-20 0:07 ` Oren Laadan
2007-12-20 7:42 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-12-20 14:09 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <476A1CE0.30505-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-12-21 1:47 ` Oren Laadan
2007-12-19 14:13 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-12-18 1:55 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-12-18 2:26 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-18 2:53 ` serge
2007-12-18 3:40 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-19 23:43 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-12-24 13:09 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-16 11:03 ` [patch 2/2] " Tetsuo Handa
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