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From: "Indan Zupancic" <indan@nul.nu>
To: "Tetsuo Handa" <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>
Cc: david@davidnewall.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch 1/2] [RFC] Simple tamper-proof device filesystem.
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:44:50 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54137.81.207.0.53.1197891890.squirrel@secure.samage.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200712170040.lBH0e6sf099887@www262.sakura.ne.jp>

Hi,

On Mon, December 17, 2007 01:40, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> Hello.
>
> Indan Zupancic wrote:
>> What prevents them from mounting tmpfs on top of /dev, bypassing your fs?
> Mandatory access control (MAC) prevents them from mounting tmpfs on top of
> /dev .
> MAC mediates namespace manipulation requests such as mount()/umount().
>
>> Also, if they have root there are plenty of ways to prevent an administrator
>> from logging in, e.g. using iptables or changing the password.
> MAC mediates execution of /sbin/iptables or /usr/bin/passwd .
>
> So, use of this filesystem alone is meaningless because
> attackers with root privileges can do what you are saying.
> But use of this filesystem with MAC is still valid because
> MAC can prevent attackers with root privileges from doing what you are saying.

If MAC can avoid all that, then why can't it also avoid tampering with /dev?
What security does your filesystem add at all, if it's useless without a MAC
doing
all the hard work?

I think you can better spend your time on read-only bind mounts.

Greetings,

Indan



  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-17 11:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20071216080441.435456586@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
     [not found] ` <20071216080628.061470932@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
2007-12-16 10:44   ` [patch 0/2] [RFC] Simple tamper-proof device filesystem Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-16 10:56     ` [patch 1/2] " Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-06 15:29       ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-18 15:55         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-12-18 16:43           ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-16 11:21       ` David Newall
2007-12-16 11:26         ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-16 11:31           ` David Newall
2007-12-16 11:36             ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-16 11:58               ` David Newall
2007-12-16 12:03                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-16 12:14                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-17  6:00                     ` David Newall
2007-12-18 15:33                       ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2007-12-16 16:52                   ` Indan Zupancic
2007-12-16 19:48                     ` Al Viro
2007-12-17  0:40                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-17 11:44                       ` Indan Zupancic [this message]
2007-12-17 12:59                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-17 13:05                         ` Al Boldi
2007-12-17 13:16                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-18 15:22                           ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2007-12-19 12:11                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-19 19:14                               ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2007-12-17 13:32                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-17  6:42                     ` penguin-kernel
2007-12-17 19:48       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]         ` <20071217194802.GA14156-6s5zFf/epYLPQpwDFJZrxKsjOiXwFzmk@public.gmane.org>
2007-12-18  0:03           ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-18  0:39             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-12-18  1:39               ` Oren Laadan
2007-12-18  2:09                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-12-18  3:04                   ` Oren Laadan
2007-12-19  9:43                     ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-12-19 14:10                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-12-20  0:07                         ` Oren Laadan
2007-12-20  7:42                           ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-12-20 14:09                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                             ` <476A1CE0.30505-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-12-21  1:47                               ` Oren Laadan
2007-12-19 14:13                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-12-18  1:55               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-12-18  2:26                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-18  2:53                   ` serge
2007-12-18  3:40                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-19 23:43       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-12-24 13:09         ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-12-16 11:03     ` [patch 2/2] " Tetsuo Handa

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