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From: Frank Rowand <frowand.list@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/17] kunit: introduce KUnit, the Linux kernel unit testing framework
Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 20:14:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54940124-50df-16ec-1a32-ad794ee05da7@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190501230126.229218-1-brendanhiggins@google.com>

On 5/1/19 4:01 PM, Brendan Higgins wrote:
> ## TLDR
> 
> I rebased the last patchset on 5.1-rc7 in hopes that we can get this in
> 5.2.
> 
> Shuah, I think you, Greg KH, and myself talked off thread, and we agreed
> we would merge through your tree when the time came? Am I remembering
> correctly?
> 
> ## Background
> 
> This patch set proposes KUnit, a lightweight unit testing and mocking
> framework for the Linux kernel.
> 
> Unlike Autotest and kselftest, KUnit is a true unit testing framework;
> it does not require installing the kernel on a test machine or in a VM
> and does not require tests to be written in userspace running on a host
> kernel. Additionally, KUnit is fast: From invocation to completion KUnit
> can run several dozen tests in under a second. Currently, the entire
> KUnit test suite for KUnit runs in under a second from the initial
> invocation (build time excluded).
> 
> KUnit is heavily inspired by JUnit, Python's unittest.mock, and
> Googletest/Googlemock for C++. KUnit provides facilities for defining
> unit test cases, grouping related test cases into test suites, providing
> common infrastructure for running tests, mocking, spying, and much more.

As a result of the emails replying to this patch thread, I am now
starting to look at kselftest.  My level of understanding is based
on some slide presentations, an LWN article, https://kselftest.wiki.kernel.org/
and a _tiny_ bit of looking at kselftest code.

tl;dr; I don't really understand kselftest yet.


(1) why KUnit exists

> ## What's so special about unit testing?
> 
> A unit test is supposed to test a single unit of code in isolation,
> hence the name. There should be no dependencies outside the control of
> the test; this means no external dependencies, which makes tests orders
> of magnitudes faster. Likewise, since there are no external dependencies,
> there are no hoops to jump through to run the tests. Additionally, this
> makes unit tests deterministic: a failing unit test always indicates a
> problem. Finally, because unit tests necessarily have finer granularity,
> they are able to test all code paths easily solving the classic problem
> of difficulty in exercising error handling code.

(2) KUnit is not meant to replace kselftest

> ## Is KUnit trying to replace other testing frameworks for the kernel?
> 
> No. Most existing tests for the Linux kernel are end-to-end tests, which
> have their place. A well tested system has lots of unit tests, a
> reasonable number of integration tests, and some end-to-end tests. KUnit
> is just trying to address the unit test space which is currently not
> being addressed.

My understanding is that the intent of KUnit is to avoid booting a kernel on
real hardware or in a virtual machine.  That seems to be a matter of semantics
to me because isn't invoking a UML Linux just running the Linux kernel in
a different form of virtualization?

So I do not understand why KUnit is an improvement over kselftest.

It seems to me that KUnit is just another piece of infrastructure that I
am going to have to be familiar with as a kernel developer.  More overhead,
more information to stuff into my tiny little brain.

I would guess that some developers will focus on just one of the two test
environments (and some will focus on both), splitting the development
resources instead of pooling them on a common infrastructure.

What am I missing?

-Frank


> 
> ## More information on KUnit
> 
> There is a bunch of documentation near the end of this patch set that
> describes how to use KUnit and best practices for writing unit tests.
> For convenience I am hosting the compiled docs here:
> https://google.github.io/kunit-docs/third_party/kernel/docs/
> Additionally for convenience, I have applied these patches to a branch:
> https://kunit.googlesource.com/linux/+/kunit/rfc/v5.1-rc7/v1
> The repo may be cloned with:
> git clone https://kunit.googlesource.com/linux
> This patchset is on the kunit/rfc/v5.1-rc7/v1 branch.
> 
> ## Changes Since Last Version
> 
> None. I just rebased the last patchset on v5.1-rc7.
> 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-05-07  3:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 131+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-01 23:01 [PATCH v2 00/17] kunit: introduce KUnit, the Linux kernel unit testing framework Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 01/17] kunit: test: add KUnit test runner core Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 02/17] kunit: test: add test resource management API Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 03/17] kunit: test: add string_stream a std::stream like string builder Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03  1:26   ` shuah
2019-05-03  4:37     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 04/17] kunit: test: add kunit_stream a std::stream like logger Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 11:00   ` Greg KH
2019-05-02 20:25     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 21:18       ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-03  1:50   ` shuah
2019-05-03  5:48     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 05/17] kunit: test: add the concept of expectations Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 06/17] kbuild: enable building KUnit Brendan Higgins
2019-05-10  3:03   ` Masahiro Yamada
2019-05-10 10:27     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-10 10:30       ` Masahiro Yamada
2019-05-10 10:33         ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 07/17] kunit: test: add initial tests Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 10:58   ` Greg KH
2019-05-02 20:30     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03  1:27   ` shuah
2019-05-03  5:18     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 08/17] kunit: test: add support for test abort Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03  3:14   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-05-03  6:48     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03 12:33       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-05-06  8:48         ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 09/17] kunit: test: add tests for kunit " Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 10/17] kunit: test: add the concept of assertions Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 11/17] kunit: test: add test managed resource tests Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03 14:34   ` shuah
2019-05-06  9:03     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 12/17] kunit: tool: add Python wrappers for running KUnit tests Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 11:02   ` Greg KH
2019-05-02 18:07     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 21:16       ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-02 23:45         ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03  1:45           ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-03  5:36             ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03 18:59               ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-03 23:14                 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-04 10:42                   ` Greg KH
2019-05-06  0:19                   ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-06 17:43                     ` Kees Cook
2019-05-06 21:42                       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-06 21:39                     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-07 19:13                       ` Tim.Bird
2019-05-03  6:41           ` Greg KH
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 13/17] kunit: defconfig: add defconfigs for building " Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 14/17] Documentation: kunit: add documentation for KUnit Brendan Higgins
2019-05-09  5:08   ` Randy Dunlap
2019-05-09 17:38     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 15/17] MAINTAINERS: add entry for KUnit the unit testing framework Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03 14:38   ` shuah
2019-05-06  9:18     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 16/17] kernel/sysctl-test: Add null pointer test for sysctl.c:proc_dointvec() Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 11:03   ` Greg KH
2019-05-02 18:14     ` Tim.Bird
2019-05-02 18:45       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03  6:42         ` Greg KH
2019-05-03 23:41           ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-04 10:40             ` Greg KH
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 17/17] MAINTAINERS: add proc sysctl KUnit test to PROC SYSCTL section Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 10:50 ` [PATCH v2 00/17] kunit: introduce KUnit, the Linux kernel unit testing framework Greg KH
2019-05-02 11:05   ` Greg KH
2019-05-03  0:41     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 14:04   ` shuah
2019-05-03  0:44     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03  3:18 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-05-07  3:14 ` Frank Rowand [this message]
2019-05-07  8:01   ` Greg KH
2019-05-07 15:23     ` shuah
2019-05-09  1:01       ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-07 17:22     ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-08 19:17       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-09  0:58       ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-09  1:44         ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-09  2:18           ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-14  8:22         ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-09  0:43     ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-09  1:58       ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-09  2:13         ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-09  3:20           ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-09 11:52             ` Knut Omang
2019-05-09 13:35               ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-09 14:48                 ` Knut Omang
2019-05-09 17:00                 ` Tim.Bird
2019-05-09 17:42                   ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-09 18:12                   ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-09 21:42                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-09 22:20                       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-05-09 23:30                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-09 23:40                           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-05-10  4:47                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-10  5:18                             ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-10  5:48                               ` Knut Omang
2019-05-10  8:12                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-10 10:23                                   ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-10 12:12                                     ` Knut Omang
2019-05-10 20:54                                       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-10 22:18                                         ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-11  6:17                                           ` Knut Omang
2019-05-14  6:39                                             ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-10 21:59                                     ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-11  6:43                                       ` Knut Omang
2019-05-14  8:00                                         ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-10 11:36                                   ` Knut Omang
2019-05-10 16:17                               ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-05-10 22:13                                 ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-14  8:38                                   ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-15  0:14                                     ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-15  0:26                                       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-05-10 21:52                         ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-14 20:54                           ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-10 21:12                       ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-11 17:33                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-13 14:44                           ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-14  6:04                             ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-14 12:05                               ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-14 18:36                                 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-15  7:41                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-22 21:38                                     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-23  8:40                                       ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-15  0:26                           ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-15  4:28                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-10  5:11           ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-10 10:43             ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-10 21:05               ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-09 15:19 ` Masahiro Yamada
2019-05-10 10:25   ` Brendan Higgins

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