From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
To: Fam Zheng <famz@redhat.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 5/6] epoll: Add implementation for epoll_mod_wait
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 13:50:37 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <54BE4F1D.7090807@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1421747878-30744-6-git-send-email-famz@redhat.com>
Hello Fam Zheng,
On 01/20/2015 10:57 AM, Fam Zheng wrote:
> This syscall is a sequence of
>
> 1) a number of epoll_ctl calls
> 2) a epoll_pwait, with timeout enhancement.
>
> The epoll_ctl operations are embeded so that application doesn't have to use
> separate syscalls to insert/delete/update the fds before poll. It is more
> efficient if the set of fds varies from one poll to another, which is the
> common pattern for certain applications.
Which applications? Could we have some specific examples? This is a
complex API, and it needs good justification.
> For example, depending on the input
> buffer status, a data reading program may decide to temporarily not polling an
> fd.
>
> Because the enablement of batching in this interface, even that regular
> epoll_ctl call sequence, which manipulates several fds, can be optimized to one
> single epoll_ctl_wait (while specifying spec=NULL to skip the poll part).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ should be epoll_mod_wait
I think you mean to say:
The ability to batch multiple "epoll_ctl" operations into a single call
means that even when no wait events are requested (i.e., spec == NULL),
poll_mod_wait() provides a performance optimization over using multiple
epoll_ctl() calls.
Right? If yes, please amend the commit message, and this text should
also make its way into the revised man page under a heading "NOTES".
> The only complexity is returning the result of each operation. For each
> epoll_mod_cmd in cmds, the field "error" is an output field that will be stored
> the return code *iff* the command is executed (0 for success and -errno of the
> equivalent epoll_ctl call), and will be left unchanged if the command is not
> executed because some earlier error, for example due to failure of
> copy_from_user to copy the array.
>
> Applications can utilize this fact to do error handling: they could initialize
> all the epoll_mod_wait.error to a positive value, which is by definition not a
> possible output value from epoll_mod_wait. Then when the syscall returned, they
> know whether or not the command is executed by comparing each error with the
> init value, if they're different, they have the result of the command.
> More roughly, they can put any non-zero and not distinguish "not run" from
> failure.
The "cmds' are not executed in a specified order plus the need to
initialize the 'errors' fields to a positive value feels a bit ugly.
And indeed the whole "command list was only partially run" case
is not pretty. Am I correct to understand that if an error is found
during execution of one of the "epoll_ctl" commands in 'cmds' then
the system call will return -1 with errno set, indicating an error,
even though the epoll interest list may have changed because some
of the earlier 'cmds' executed successfully? This all seems a bit of
a headache for user space.
I have a couple of questions:
Q1. I can see that batching "epoll_ctl" commands might be useful,
since it results in fewer systems calls. But, does it really
need to be bound together with the "epoll_pwait" functionality?
(Perhaps this point was covered in previous discussions, but
neither the message accompanying this patch nor the 0/6 man page
provide a compelling rationale for the need to bind these two
operations together.)
Yes, I realize you might save a system call, but it makes for a
cumbersome API that has the above headache, and also forces the
need for double pointer indirection in the 'spec' argument (i.e.,
spec is a pointer to an array of structures where each element
in turn includes an 'events' pointer that points to another array).
Why not a simpler API with two syscalls such as:
epoll_ctl_batch(int epfd, int flags,
int ncmds, struct epoll_mod_cmd *cmds);
epoll_pwait1(int epfd, struct epoll_event *events, int maxevents,
struct timespec *timeout, int clock_id,
const sigset_t *sigmask, size_t sigsetsize);
This gives us much of the benefit of reducing system calls, but
with greater simplicity. And epoll_ctl_batch() could simply return
the number of 'cmds' that were successfully executed.)
Q2. In the man page in 0/6 you said that the 'cmds' were not
guaranteed to be executed in order. Why not? If you did provide
such a guarantee, then, when using your current epoll_mod_wait(),
user space could do the following:
1. Initialize the cmd.errors fields to zero.
2. Call epoll_ctl_mod()
3. Iterate through cmd.errors looking for the first nonzero
field.
> Also, timeout parameter is enhanced: timespec is used, compared to the old ms
> scalar. This provides higher precision.
Yes, that change seemed inevitable. It slightly puzzled me at the time when
Davide Libenzi added epoll_wait() that the timeout was milliseconds, even
though pselect() already had demonstrated the need for higher precision.
I should have called it out way back then :-{.
> The parameter field in struct
> epoll_wait_spec, "clockid", also makes it possible for users to use a different
> clock than the default when it makes more sense.
>
> Signed-off-by: Fam Zheng <famz@redhat.com>
> ---
> fs/eventpoll.c | 60 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> include/linux/syscalls.h | 5 ++++
> 2 files changed, 65 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/fs/eventpoll.c b/fs/eventpoll.c
> index e7a116d..2cc22c9 100644
> --- a/fs/eventpoll.c
> +++ b/fs/eventpoll.c
> @@ -2067,6 +2067,66 @@ SYSCALL_DEFINE6(epoll_pwait, int, epfd, struct epoll_event __user *, events,
> sigmask ? &ksigmask : NULL);
> }
>
> +SYSCALL_DEFINE5(epoll_mod_wait, int, epfd, int, flags,
> + int, ncmds, struct epoll_mod_cmd __user *, cmds,
> + struct epoll_wait_spec __user *, spec)
> +{
> + struct epoll_mod_cmd *kcmds = NULL;
> + int i, ret = 0;
> + int cmd_size = sizeof(struct epoll_mod_cmd) * ncmds;
> +
> + if (flags)
> + return -EINVAL;
> + if (ncmds) {
> + if (!cmds)
> + return -EINVAL;
> + kcmds = kmalloc(cmd_size, GFP_KERNEL);
> + if (!kcmds)
> + return -ENOMEM;
> + if (copy_from_user(kcmds, cmds, cmd_size)) {
> + ret = -EFAULT;
> + goto out;
> + }
> + }
> + for (i = 0; i < ncmds; i++) {
> + struct epoll_event ev = (struct epoll_event) {
> + .events = kcmds[i].events,
> + .data = kcmds[i].data,
> + };
> + if (kcmds[i].flags) {
> + kcmds[i].error = ret = -EINVAL;
To make the 'ret' change a little more obvious, maybe it's better to write
ret = kcmds[i].error = -EINVAL;
> + goto out;
> + }
> + kcmds[i].error = ret = ep_ctl_do(epfd, kcmds[i].op, kcmds[i].fd, ev);
Likewise:
ret = kcmds[i].error = ep_ctl_do(epfd, kcmds[i].op, kcmds[i].fd, ev);
> + if (ret)
> + goto out;
> + }
> + if (spec) {
> + sigset_t ksigmask;
> + struct epoll_wait_spec kspec;
> + ktime_t timeout;
> +
> + if(copy_from_user(&kspec, spec, sizeof(struct epoll_wait_spec)))
Cosmetic point: s/if(/if (/
> + return -EFAULT;
> + if (kspec.sigmask) {
> + if (kspec.sigsetsize != sizeof(sigset_t))
> + return -EINVAL;
> + if (copy_from_user(&ksigmask, kspec.sigmask, sizeof(ksigmask)))
> + return -EFAULT;
> + }
> + timeout = timespec_to_ktime(kspec.timeout);
> + ret = epoll_pwait_do(epfd, kspec.events, kspec.maxevents,
> + kspec.clockid, timeout,
> + kspec.sigmask ? &ksigmask : NULL);
If I understand correctly, the implementation means that the
'size_t sigsetsize' field will probably need to be exposed to
applications. In the existing epoll_pwait() call (as in ppoll()
and pselect()) the 'size_t sigsetsize' argument is hidden by glibc.
However, unless we expect glibc to do some structure copying to/from
a structure that hides this field, then we're going end up exposing
'size_t sigsetsize' to applications. (This could be avoided, if we
split the API as I suggest above. glibc would do the same thing
in epoll_pwait1() that it currently does in epoll_pwait().)
Thanks,
Michael
--
Michael Kerrisk
Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-01-20 12:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-01-20 9:57 [PATCH RFC 0/6] epoll: Introduce new syscall "epoll_mod_wait" Fam Zheng
2015-01-20 9:57 ` [PATCH RFC 1/6] epoll: Extract epoll_wait_do and epoll_pwait_do Fam Zheng
2015-01-20 9:57 ` [PATCH RFC 2/6] epoll: Specify clockid explicitly Fam Zheng
2015-01-20 9:57 ` [PATCH RFC 3/6] epoll: Add definition for epoll_mod_wait structures Fam Zheng
2015-01-20 9:57 ` [PATCH RFC 4/6] epoll: Extract ep_ctl_do Fam Zheng
2015-01-20 9:57 ` [PATCH RFC 5/6] epoll: Add implementation for epoll_mod_wait Fam Zheng
2015-01-20 12:50 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) [this message]
2015-01-21 4:59 ` Fam Zheng
[not found] ` <20150121045903.GA2858-+wGkCoP0yD+sDdueE5tM26fLeoKvNuZc@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-21 7:52 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-21 8:58 ` Fam Zheng
[not found] ` <20150121085827.GB23024-ZfWej9ACyHUXGNroddHbYwC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-21 10:37 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-01-21 11:14 ` Fam Zheng
[not found] ` <20150121111404.GA3804-ZfWej9ACyHUXGNroddHbYwC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-21 11:50 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-01-22 21:12 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrWwuJpFK+38mBxxTQCu7Oig22Nr+mAuO++Y+0CdAhfzkw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-23 6:20 ` Fam Zheng
2015-01-23 9:56 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-01-21 10:34 ` Paolo Bonzini
[not found] ` <1421747878-30744-6-git-send-email-famz-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-21 7:56 ` Omar Sandoval
2015-01-21 8:59 ` Fam Zheng
2015-01-20 9:57 ` [PATCH RFC 6/6] x86: Hook up epoll_mod_wait syscall Fam Zheng
[not found] ` <1421747878-30744-1-git-send-email-famz-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20 10:37 ` [PATCH RFC 0/6] epoll: Introduce new syscall "epoll_mod_wait" Rasmus Villemoes
[not found] ` <874mrl3fh9.fsf-qQsb+v5E8BnlAoU/VqSP6n9LOBIZ5rWg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20 10:53 ` Fam Zheng
2015-01-20 12:48 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <54BE4EA4.6080901-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-21 9:05 ` Fam Zheng
2015-01-20 22:40 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrU4TeG1ShVLkQgqQ6usFm8pg_t0D8K=Mi_UJGSfxUwXtA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20 23:03 ` josh-iaAMLnmF4UmaiuxdJuQwMA
2015-01-21 5:55 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-21 9:07 ` Fam Zheng
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