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From: Boaz Harrosh <boaz@plexistor.com>
To: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com>
Cc: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	adilger@dilger.ca, david@fromorbit.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] Support for write stream IDs
Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 19:50:48 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <554A4668.7040804@plexistor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yq1fv7ar81d.fsf@sermon.lab.mkp.net>

On 05/06/2015 01:09 AM, Martin K. Petersen wrote:
>>>>>> "Jens" == Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com> writes:
<>
> 
> The only sensible solution is for the kernel to manage the stream
> IDs. And for them to be plentiful. The storage device is free to ignore
> them, do LRU or whatever it pleases to manage them if it has an internal
> limit on number of open streams, etc.
> 

Sometimes you do not have control over the "storage device" firmware
and/or it is already too late. But in such a case the LLD of the device
can do the state management (open/close) and translation (LRU).
If there are a lot of broken devices with the same small size that need
an LRU and/or state, bunch of LLDs can reuse a common library.

But hey yes I'm with Martin here. It sounds like a filesystem thing
and not an application thing.

>From the application side we already have the O_TMP hint and other
fadvise hits, but it is more the filesystem policy of what to do
with this.

Also current proposed solution for application is kind of a layering
violation. I set an Id at the filesystem level API: Open a file,
set an ID. But I acquire the ID from the block device under
the FS. This will never map well. In fact it calls for only a very
hard-coded hardware specific application that can use this.

Thanks
Boaz

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-05-06 16:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-05 20:02 [PATCH v2] Support for write stream IDs Jens Axboe
2015-05-05 20:02 ` [PATCH 1/7] block: add support for carrying a stream ID in a bio Jens Axboe
2015-05-05 20:02 ` [PATCH 2/7] Add support for per-file/inode stream ID Jens Axboe
2015-05-05 20:09   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-05-05 20:02 ` [PATCH 3/7] direct-io: add support for write stream IDs Jens Axboe
2015-05-05 20:02 ` [PATCH 4/7] Add stream ID support for buffered mpage/__block_write_full_page() Jens Axboe
2015-05-05 20:02 ` [PATCH 5/7] btrfs: add support for write stream IDs Jens Axboe
2015-05-05 20:03 ` [PATCH 6/7] xfs: add support for buffered writeback stream ID Jens Axboe
2015-05-05 20:03 ` [PATCH 7/7] ext4: add support for write stream IDs Jens Axboe
2015-05-05 20:07 ` [PATCH v2] Support " Christoph Hellwig
2015-05-05 20:12   ` Jens Axboe
2015-05-05 20:20     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-05-05 20:31       ` Jens Axboe
2015-05-05 20:43         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-05-05 20:50         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-05-05 20:51 ` Jeff Moyer
2015-05-05 21:05   ` Jens Axboe
2015-05-05 21:39     ` Martin K. Petersen
2015-05-05 21:48       ` Jens Axboe
2015-05-05 22:09         ` Martin K. Petersen
2015-05-06 14:26           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-06 17:25             ` Jens Axboe
2015-05-06 16:50           ` Boaz Harrosh [this message]
2015-05-06 17:21           ` Jens Axboe
2015-05-07 19:19             ` Martin K. Petersen
2015-05-08 18:48               ` Jens Axboe
2015-05-12  2:50                 ` Martin K. Petersen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-04-18 20:03 Jens Axboe

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