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From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
To: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, neal@gompa.dev, John@groves.net,
	 miklos@szeredi.hu, bernd@bsbernd.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/7] fuse: flush pending fuse events before aborting the connection
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 08:30:04 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5ba49b0ff30f4e4f44440d393359a06a2515ab20.camel@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250719003215.GG2672029@frogsfrogsfrogs>

On Fri, 2025-07-18 at 17:32 -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 03:23:30PM -0700, Joanne Koong wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at 4:26 PM Darrick J. Wong <djwong@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > 
> > > From: Darrick J. Wong <djwong@kernel.org>
> > > 
> > > generic/488 fails with fuse2fs in the following fashion:
> > > 
> > > generic/488       _check_generic_filesystem: filesystem on /dev/sdf is inconsistent
> > > (see /var/tmp/fstests/generic/488.full for details)
> > > 
> > > This test opens a large number of files, unlinks them (which really just
> > > renames them to fuse hidden files), closes the program, unmounts the
> > > filesystem, and runs fsck to check that there aren't any inconsistencies
> > > in the filesystem.
> > > 
> > > Unfortunately, the 488.full file shows that there are a lot of hidden
> > > files left over in the filesystem, with incorrect link counts.  Tracing
> > > fuse_request_* shows that there are a large number of FUSE_RELEASE
> > > commands that are queued up on behalf of the unlinked files at the time
> > > that fuse_conn_destroy calls fuse_abort_conn.  Had the connection not
> > > aborted, the fuse server would have responded to the RELEASE commands by
> > > removing the hidden files; instead they stick around.
> > 
> > Tbh it's still weird to me that FUSE_RELEASE is asynchronous instead
> > of synchronous. For example for fuse servers that cache their data and
> > only write the buffer out to some remote filesystem when the file gets
> > closed, it seems useful for them to (like nfs) be able to return an
> > error to the client for close() if there's a failure committing that
> 
> I don't think supplying a return value for close() is as helpful as it
> seems -- the manage says that there is no guarantee that data has been
> flushed to disk; and if the file is removed from the process' fd table
> then the operation succeeded no matter the return value. :P
> 
> (Also C programmers tend to be sloppy and not check the return value.)
> 

The POSIX spec and manpage for close(2) make no mention of writeback
errors, so it's not 100% clear that returning them there is at all OK.
Everyone sort of assumes that it makes sense to do so, but it can be
actively harmful. Suppose we do this:

open() = 1
write(1)
close(1) 
open() = 2
fsync(2) = ???

Now, assume there was a writeback error that happens either before or
after the close.

With the way this works today, you will get back an error on that final
fsync() even if fd 2 was opened _after_ the writeback error occurred,
because nothing will have scraped it yet.

If you scrape the error to return it on the close though, then the
result of that fsync() would be inconclusive. If the error happens
before the close(), then fsync() will return 0. If it fails after the
close(), then the fsync() will see an error.

> > data; that also has clearer API semantics imo, eg users are guaranteed
> > that when close() returns, all the processing/cleanup for that file
> > has been completed.  Async FUSE_RELEASE also seems kind of racy, eg if
> > the server holds local locks that get released in FUSE_RELEASE, if a
> 
> Yes.  I think it's only useful for the case outined in that patch, which
> is that a program started an asyncio operation and then closed the fd.
> In that particular case the program unambiguously doesn't care about the
> return value of close so it's ok to perform the release asynchronously.
> 
> > subsequent FUSE_OPEN happens before FUSE_RELEASE then depends on
> > grabbing that lock, then we end up deadlocked if the server is
> > single-threaded.
> 
> Hrm.  I suppose if you had a script that ran two programs one after the
> other, each of which expected to be able to open and lock the same file,
> then you could run into problems if the lock isn't released by the time
> the second program is ready to open the file.
> 
> But having said that, some other program could very well open and lock
> the file as soon as the lock drops.
> 
> > I saw in your first patch that sending FUSE_RELEASE synchronously
> > leads to a deadlock under AIO but AFAICT, that happens because we
> > execute req->args->end() in fuse_request_end() synchronously; I think
> > if we execute that release asynchronously on a worker thread then that
> > gets rid of the deadlock.
> 
> <nod> Last time I think someone replied that maybe they should all be
> asynchronous.
> 
> > If FUSE_RELEASE must be asynchronous though, then your approach makes
> > sense to me.
> 
> I think it only has to be asynchronous for the weird case outlined in
> that patch (fuse server gets stuck closing its own client's fds).
> Personally I think release ought to be synchronous at least as far as
> the kernel doing all the stuff that close() says it has to do (removal
> of record locks, deleting the fd table entry).
> 
> Note that doesn't necessarily mean that the kernel has to be completely
> done with all the work that entails.  XFS defers freeing of unlinked
> files until a background garbage collector gets around to doing that.
> Other filesystems will actually make you wait while they free all the
> data blocks and the inode.  But the kernel has no idea what the fuse
> server actually does.
> 
> > > Create a function to push all the background requests to the queue and
> > > then wait for the number of pending events to hit zero, and call this
> > > before fuse_abort_conn.  That way, all the pending events are processed
> > > by the fuse server and we don't end up with a corrupt filesystem.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
> > > ---
> > >  fs/fuse/fuse_i.h |    6 ++++++
> > >  fs/fuse/dev.c    |   38 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >  fs/fuse/inode.c  |    1 +
> > >  3 files changed, 45 insertions(+)
> > > 
> > > diff --git a/fs/fuse/fuse_i.h b/fs/fuse/fuse_i.h
> > > +/*
> > > + * Flush all pending requests and wait for them.  Only call this function when
> > > + * it is no longer possible for other threads to add requests.
> > > + */
> > > +void fuse_flush_requests(struct fuse_conn *fc, unsigned long timeout)
> > 
> > It might be worth renaming this to something like
> > 'fuse_flush_bg_requests' to make it more clear that this only flushes
> > background requests
> 
> Hum.  Did I not understand the code correctly?  I thought that
> flush_bg_queue puts all the background requests onto the active queue
> and issues them to the fuse server; and the wait_event_timeout sits
> around waiting for all the requests to receive their replies?
> 
> I could be mistaken though.  This is my rough understanding of what
> happens to background requests:
> 
> 1. Request created
> 2. Put request on bg_queue
> 3. <wait>
> 4. Request removed from bg_queue
> 5. Request sent
> 6. <wait>
> 7. Reply received
> 8. Request ends and is _put.
> 
> Non-background (foreground?) requests skip steps 2-4.  Meanwhile,
> fc->waiting tracks the number of requests that are anywhere between the
> end of step 1 and the start of step 8.
> 
> In any case, I want to push all the bg requests and wait until there are
> no more requests in the system.
> 
> --D

-- 
Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-07-22 12:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 178+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-17 23:10 [RFC v3] fuse: use fs-iomap for better performance so we can containerize ext4 Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:23 ` [PATCHSET RFC v3 1/4] fuse: fixes and cleanups ahead of iomap support Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:26   ` [PATCH 1/7] fuse: fix livelock in synchronous file put from fuseblk workers Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:26   ` [PATCH 2/7] fuse: flush pending fuse events before aborting the connection Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-18 16:37     ` Bernd Schubert
2025-07-18 17:50       ` Joanne Koong
2025-07-18 17:57         ` Bernd Schubert
2025-07-18 18:38           ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-18 18:07       ` Bernd Schubert
2025-07-18 18:13         ` Bernd Schubert
2025-07-18 19:34         ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-18 21:03           ` Bernd Schubert
2025-07-18 22:23     ` Joanne Koong
2025-07-19  0:32       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-21 20:32         ` Joanne Koong
2025-07-23 17:34           ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-23 21:02             ` Joanne Koong
2025-07-23 21:11               ` Joanne Koong
2025-07-24 22:28               ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-22 12:30         ` Jeff Layton [this message]
2025-07-22 12:38           ` Jeff Layton
2025-07-23 15:37             ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-23 16:24               ` Jeff Layton
2025-07-31  9:45                 ` Christian Brauner
2025-07-31 17:52                   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-19  7:18       ` Amir Goldstein
2025-07-21 20:05         ` Joanne Koong
2025-07-23 17:06           ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-23 20:27             ` Joanne Koong
2025-07-24 22:34               ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:27   ` [PATCH 3/7] fuse: capture the unique id of fuse commands being sent Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-18 17:10     ` Bernd Schubert
2025-07-18 18:13       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-22 22:20         ` Bernd Schubert
2025-07-17 23:27   ` [PATCH 4/7] fuse: implement file attributes mask for statx Darrick J. Wong
2025-08-18 15:11     ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-08-18 20:01       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-08-18 20:04         ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-08-19 15:01         ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-08-19 22:51           ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-08-20  9:16             ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-08-20  9:40               ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-08-20 15:16                 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-08-20 15:31                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-08-20 15:09               ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-08-20 15:23                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-08-20 15:29                   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:27   ` [PATCH 5/7] iomap: exit early when iomap_iter is called with zero length Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:27   ` [PATCH 6/7] iomap: trace iomap_zero_iter zeroing activities Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:28   ` [PATCH 7/7] iomap: error out on file IO when there is no inline_data buffer Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:24 ` [PATCHSET RFC v3 2/4] fuse: allow servers to use iomap for better file IO performance Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:28   ` [PATCH 01/13] fuse: implement the basic iomap mechanisms Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:28   ` [PATCH 02/13] fuse: add an ioctl to add new iomap devices Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:28   ` [PATCH 03/13] fuse: flush events and send FUSE_SYNCFS and FUSE_DESTROY on unmount Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:29   ` [PATCH 04/13] fuse: implement basic iomap reporting such as FIEMAP and SEEK_{DATA,HOLE} Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:29   ` [PATCH 05/13] fuse: implement direct IO with iomap Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:29   ` [PATCH 06/13] fuse: implement buffered " Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-18 15:10     ` Amir Goldstein
2025-07-18 18:01       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-18 18:39         ` Bernd Schubert
2025-07-18 18:46           ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-18 19:45         ` Amir Goldstein
2025-07-18 20:20           ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:29   ` [PATCH 07/13] fuse: enable caching of timestamps Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:30   ` [PATCH 08/13] fuse: implement large folios for iomap pagecache files Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:30   ` [PATCH 09/13] fuse: use an unrestricted backing device with iomap pagecache io Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:30   ` [PATCH 10/13] fuse: advertise support for iomap Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:31   ` [PATCH 11/13] fuse: query filesystem geometry when using iomap Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:31   ` [PATCH 12/13] fuse: implement fadvise for iomap files Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:31   ` [PATCH 13/13] fuse: implement inline data file IO via iomap Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:24 ` [PATCHSET RFC v3 3/4] fuse: cache iomap mappings for even better file IO performance Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:31   ` [PATCH 1/4] fuse: cache iomaps Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:32   ` [PATCH 2/4] fuse: use the iomap cache for iomap_begin Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:32   ` [PATCH 3/4] fuse: invalidate iomap cache after file updates Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:32   ` [PATCH 4/4] fuse: enable iomap cache management Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:24 ` [PATCHSET RFC v3 4/4] fuse: handle timestamps and ACLs correctly when iomap is enabled Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:32   ` [PATCH 1/7] fuse: force a ctime update after a fileattr_set call when in iomap mode Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:33   ` [PATCH 2/7] fuse: synchronize inode->i_flags after fileattr_[gs]et Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:33   ` [PATCH 3/7] fuse: cache atime when in iomap mode Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:33   ` [PATCH 4/7] fuse: update file mode when updating acls Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:33   ` [PATCH 5/7] fuse: propagate default and file acls on creation Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:34   ` [PATCH 6/7] fuse: let the kernel handle KILL_SUID/KILL_SGID for iomap filesystems Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:34   ` [PATCH 7/7] fuse: update ctime when updating acls on an iomap inode Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:25 ` [PATCHSET RFC v3 1/3] libfuse: allow servers to use iomap for better file IO performance Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:34   ` [PATCH 01/14] libfuse: add kernel gates for FUSE_IOMAP and bump libfuse api version Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:34   ` [PATCH 02/14] libfuse: add fuse commands for iomap_begin and end Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:35   ` [PATCH 03/14] libfuse: add upper level iomap commands Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:35   ` [PATCH 04/14] libfuse: add a notification to add a new device to iomap Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:35   ` [PATCH 05/14] libfuse: add iomap ioend low level handler Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:35   ` [PATCH 06/14] libfuse: add upper level iomap ioend commands Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:36   ` [PATCH 07/14] libfuse: add a reply function to send FUSE_ATTR_* to the kernel Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-18 14:10     ` Amir Goldstein
2025-07-18 15:48       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-19  7:34         ` Amir Goldstein
2025-07-17 23:36   ` [PATCH 08/14] libfuse: connect high level fuse library to fuse_reply_attr_iflags Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-18 14:27     ` Amir Goldstein
2025-07-18 15:55       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-21 18:51         ` Bernd Schubert
2025-07-23 17:50           ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-24 19:56             ` Amir Goldstein
2025-07-29  5:35               ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-29  7:50                 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-07-29 14:22                   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:36   ` [PATCH 09/14] libfuse: add FUSE_IOMAP_DIRECTIO Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:37   ` [PATCH 10/14] libfuse: add FUSE_IOMAP_FILEIO Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:37   ` [PATCH 11/14] libfuse: allow discovery of the kernel's iomap capabilities Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:37   ` [PATCH 12/14] libfuse: add lower level iomap_config implementation Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:37   ` [PATCH 13/14] libfuse: add upper " Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:38   ` [PATCH 14/14] libfuse: add strictatime/lazytime mount options Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:25 ` [PATCHSET RFC v3 2/3] libfuse: cache iomap mappings for even better file IO performance Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:38   ` [PATCH 1/1] libfuse: enable iomap cache management Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-18 16:16     ` Bernd Schubert
2025-07-18 18:22       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-18 18:35         ` Bernd Schubert
2025-07-18 18:40           ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-18 18:51             ` Bernd Schubert
2025-07-17 23:25 ` [PATCHSET RFC v3 3/3] libfuse: implement statx and syncfs Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:38   ` [PATCH 1/4] libfuse: wire up FUSE_SYNCFS to the low level library Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:38   ` [PATCH 2/4] libfuse: add syncfs support to the upper library Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:39   ` [PATCH 3/4] libfuse: add statx support to the lower level library Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-18 13:28     ` Amir Goldstein
2025-07-18 15:58       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-18 16:27       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-18 16:54         ` Bernd Schubert
2025-07-18 18:42           ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:39   ` [PATCH 4/4] libfuse: add upper level statx hooks Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:25 ` [PATCHSET RFC v3 1/3] fuse2fs: use fuse iomap data paths for better file I/O performance Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:39   ` [PATCH 01/22] fuse2fs: implement bare minimum iomap for file mapping reporting Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:39   ` [PATCH 02/22] fuse2fs: add iomap= mount option Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:40   ` [PATCH 03/22] fuse2fs: implement iomap configuration Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:40   ` [PATCH 04/22] fuse2fs: register block devices for use with iomap Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:40   ` [PATCH 05/22] fuse2fs: always use directio disk reads with fuse2fs Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:40   ` [PATCH 06/22] fuse2fs: implement directio file reads Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:41   ` [PATCH 07/22] fuse2fs: use tagged block IO for zeroing sub-block regions Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:41   ` [PATCH 08/22] fuse2fs: only flush the cache for the file under directio read Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:41   ` [PATCH 09/22] fuse2fs: add extent dump function for debugging Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:41   ` [PATCH 10/22] fuse2fs: implement direct write support Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:42   ` [PATCH 11/22] fuse2fs: turn on iomap for pagecache IO Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:42   ` [PATCH 12/22] fuse2fs: improve tracing for fallocate Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:42   ` [PATCH 13/22] fuse2fs: don't zero bytes in punch hole Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:43   ` [PATCH 14/22] fuse2fs: don't do file data block IO when iomap is enabled Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:43   ` [PATCH 15/22] fuse2fs: disable most io channel flush/invalidate in iomap pagecache mode Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:43   ` [PATCH 16/22] fuse2fs: re-enable the block device pagecache for metadata IO Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:43   ` [PATCH 17/22] fuse2fs: avoid fuseblk mode if fuse-iomap support is likely Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:44   ` [PATCH 18/22] fuse2fs: don't allow hardlinks for now Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:44   ` [PATCH 19/22] fuse2fs: enable file IO to inline data files Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:44   ` [PATCH 20/22] fuse2fs: set iomap-related inode flags Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:44   ` [PATCH 21/22] fuse2fs: add strictatime/lazytime mount options Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:45   ` [PATCH 22/22] fuse2fs: configure block device block size Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:26 ` [PATCHSET RFC v3 2/3] fuse2fs: use fuse iomap data paths for better file I/O performance Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:45   ` [PATCH 1/1] fuse2fs: enable caching of iomaps Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:26 ` [PATCHSET RFC v3 3/3] fuse2fs: handle timestamps and ACLs correctly when iomap is enabled Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:45   ` [PATCH 01/10] fuse2fs: allow O_APPEND and O_TRUNC opens Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:45   ` [PATCH 02/10] fuse2fs: skip permission checking on utimens when iomap is enabled Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:46   ` [PATCH 03/10] fuse2fs: let the kernel tell us about acl/mode updates Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:46   ` [PATCH 04/10] fuse2fs: better debugging for file mode updates Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:46   ` [PATCH 05/10] fuse2fs: debug timestamp updates Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:46   ` [PATCH 06/10] fuse2fs: use coarse timestamps for iomap mode Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:47   ` [PATCH 07/10] fuse2fs: add tracing for retrieving timestamps Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:47   ` [PATCH 08/10] fuse2fs: enable syncfs Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:47   ` [PATCH 09/10] fuse2fs: skip the gdt write in op_destroy if syncfs is working Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:47   ` [PATCH 10/10] fuse2fs: implement statx Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-18  8:54 ` [RFC v3] fuse: use fs-iomap for better performance so we can containerize ext4 Christian Brauner
2025-07-18 11:55   ` Amir Goldstein
2025-07-18 19:31     ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-18 19:56       ` Amir Goldstein
2025-07-18 20:21         ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-23 13:05       ` Christian Brauner
2025-07-23 18:04         ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-31 10:13           ` Christian Brauner
2025-07-31 17:22             ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-08-04 10:12               ` Christian Brauner
2025-08-12 20:20                 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-08-15 14:20                   ` Christian Brauner
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-08-21  0:47 [PATCHSET RFC v4 1/4] fuse: general bug fixes Darrick J. Wong
2025-08-21  0:51 ` [PATCH 2/7] fuse: flush pending fuse events before aborting the connection Darrick J. Wong
2025-09-03 15:45   ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-09-03 17:49     ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-09-04 10:54       ` Miklos Szeredi

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