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From: Hisashi Hifumi <hifumi.hisashi@oss.ntt.co.jp>
To: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"jens.axboe@oracle.com" <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] readahead:add blk_run_backing_dev
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:20:40 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6.0.0.20.2.20090527151725.076b1038@172.19.0.2> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090527043601.GA26361@localhost>


At 13:36 09/05/27, Wu Fengguang wrote:
>On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:06:12PM +0800, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
>> > > Ah.  So it's likely to be some strange interaction with the RAID setup.
>> > 
>> > The normal case is, if page N become uptodate at time T(N), then
>> > T(N) <= T(N+1) holds. But for RAID, the data arrival time depends on
>> > runtime status of individual disks, which breaks that formula. So
>> > in do_generic_file_read(), just after submitting the async readahead IO
>> > request, the current page may well be uptodate, so the page won't be locked,
>> > and the block device won't be implicitly unplugged:
>> 
>> Hifumi-san, Can you get blktrace data and confirm Wu's assumption?
>
>To make the reasoning more obvious:
>
>Assume we just submitted readahead IO request for pages N ~ N+M, then
>        T(N) <= T(N+1)
>        T(N) <= T(N+2)
>        T(N) <= T(N+3)
>        ...
>        T(N) <= T(N+M)   (M = readahead size)
>So if the reader is going to block on any page in the above chunk,
>it is going to first block on page N.
>
>With RAID (and NFS to some degree), there is no strict ordering,
>so the reader is more likely to block on some random pages.
>
>In the first case, the effective async_size = M, in the second case,
>the effective async_size <= M. The more async_size, the more degree of
>readahead pipeline, hence the more low level IO latencies are hidden
>to the application.

I got your explanation especially about RAID specific matters.

>
>Thanks,
>Fengguang
>
>> 
>> > 
>> >                if (PageReadahead(page))
>> >                         page_cache_async_readahead()
>> >                 if (!PageUptodate(page))
>> >                                 goto page_not_up_to_date;
>> >                 //...
>> > page_not_up_to_date:
>> >                 lock_page_killable(page);
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Therefore explicit unplugging can help, so
>> > 
>> >         Acked-by: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com> 
>> > 
>> > The only question is, shall we avoid the double unplug by doing this?
>> > 
>> > ---
>> >  mm/readahead.c |   10 ++++++++++
>> >  1 file changed, 10 insertions(+)
>> > 
>> > --- linux.orig/mm/readahead.c
>> > +++ linux/mm/readahead.c
>> > @@ -490,5 +490,15 @@ page_cache_async_readahead(struct addres
>> >  
>> >  	/* do read-ahead */
>> >  	ondemand_readahead(mapping, ra, filp, true, offset, req_size);
>> > +
>> > +	/*
>> > +	* Normally the current page is !uptodate and lock_page() will be
>> > +	* immediately called to implicitly unplug the device. However this
>> > +	* is not always true for RAID conifgurations, where data arrives
>> > +	* not strictly in their submission order. In this case we need to
>> > +	* explicitly kick off the IO.
>> > +	*/
>> > +	if (PageUptodate(page))
>> > +		blk_run_backing_dev(mapping->backing_dev_info, NULL);
>> >  }
>> >  EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(page_cache_async_readahead);

I am for this to avoid double unplug.
Thanks.


  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-27  6:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-18  9:38 [PATCH] readahead:add blk_run_backing_dev Hisashi Hifumi
2009-05-18 17:53 ` Jens Axboe
2009-05-19  0:44   ` Hisashi Hifumi
2009-05-19 10:05   ` Hisashi Hifumi
2009-05-20  0:55   ` Hisashi Hifumi
2009-05-20  2:51   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-21  6:01     ` Hisashi Hifumi
2009-05-22  1:05       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-22  1:44         ` Hisashi Hifumi
2009-05-22  2:33           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-26 23:42             ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-27  0:25               ` Hisashi Hifumi
2009-05-27  2:09                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-27  2:21                   ` Hisashi Hifumi
2009-05-27  2:35                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-27  2:36                     ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-27  2:38                       ` Hisashi Hifumi
2009-05-27  3:55                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-27  4:06                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-27  4:36                           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-27  6:20                             ` Hisashi Hifumi [this message]
2009-05-28  1:20                             ` Hisashi Hifumi
2009-05-28  2:23                               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-06-01  1:39                                 ` Hisashi Hifumi
2009-06-01  2:23                                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-27  2:36                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-27  2:47                       ` Hisashi Hifumi
2009-05-27  2:57                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-27  3:06                           ` Hisashi Hifumi
2009-05-27  3:26                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-06-01  2:37                             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-01  2:51                               ` Hisashi Hifumi
2009-06-01  3:02                                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-01  3:06                                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-06-01  3:07                                   ` Hisashi Hifumi
2009-06-01  4:30                                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-27  2:07               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-20  1:07 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-20  1:43   ` Hisashi Hifumi
2009-05-20  2:52     ` Wu Fengguang

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