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From: Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, willy@infradead.org, clm@fb.com,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, david@fromorbit.com
Subject: Re: [PATCHSET v3 0/5] Support for RWF_UNCACHED
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 11:44:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <63049728.ylUViGSH3C@merkaba> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191211152943.2933-1-axboe@kernel.dk>

Hi Jens.

Jens Axboe - 11.12.19, 16:29:38 CET:
> Recently someone asked me how io_uring buffered IO compares to mmaped
> IO in terms of performance. So I ran some tests with buffered IO, and
> found the experience to be somewhat painful. The test case is pretty
> basic, random reads over a dataset that's 10x the size of RAM.
> Performance starts out fine, and then the page cache fills up and we
> hit a throughput cliff. CPU usage of the IO threads go up, and we have
> kswapd spending 100% of a core trying to keep up. Seeing that, I was
> reminded of the many complaints I here about buffered IO, and the
> fact that most of the folks complaining will ultimately bite the
> bullet and move to O_DIRECT to just get the kernel out of the way.
> 
> But I don't think it needs to be like that. Switching to O_DIRECT
> isn't always easily doable. The buffers have different life times,
> size and alignment constraints, etc. On top of that, mixing buffered
> and O_DIRECT can be painful.
> 
> Seems to me that we have an opportunity to provide something that sits
> somewhere in between buffered and O_DIRECT, and this is where
> RWF_UNCACHED enters the picture. If this flag is set on IO, we get
> the following behavior:
> 
> - If the data is in cache, it remains in cache and the copy (in or
> out) is served to/from that.
> 
> - If the data is NOT in cache, we add it while performing the IO. When
> the IO is done, we remove it again.
> 
> With this, I can do 100% smooth buffered reads or writes without
> pushing the kernel to the state where kswapd is sweating bullets. In
> fact it doesn't even register.

A question from a user or Linux Performance trainer perspective:

How does this compare with posix_fadvise() with POSIX_FADV_DONTNEED that 
for example the nocache¹ command is using? Excerpt from manpage 
posix_fadvice(2):

       POSIX_FADV_DONTNEED
              The specified data will not be accessed  in  the  near
              future.

              POSIX_FADV_DONTNEED  attempts to free cached pages as‐
              sociated with the specified region.  This  is  useful,
              for  example,  while streaming large files.  A program
              may periodically request the  kernel  to  free  cached
              data  that  has already been used, so that more useful
              cached pages are not discarded instead.

[1] packaged in Debian as nocache or available herehttps://github.com/
Feh/nocache

In any way, would be nice to have some option in rsync… I still did not 
change my backup script to call rsync via nocache.

Thanks,
Martin

> Comments appreciated! This should work on any standard file system,
> using either the generic helpers or iomap. I have tested ext4 and xfs
> for the right read/write behavior, but no further validation has been
> done yet. Patches are against current git, and can also be found here:
> 
> https://git.kernel.dk/cgit/linux-block/log/?h=buffered-uncached
> 
>  fs/ceph/file.c          |  2 +-
>  fs/dax.c                |  2 +-
>  fs/ext4/file.c          |  2 +-
>  fs/iomap/apply.c        | 26 ++++++++++-
>  fs/iomap/buffered-io.c  | 54 ++++++++++++++++-------
>  fs/iomap/direct-io.c    |  3 +-
>  fs/iomap/fiemap.c       |  5 ++-
>  fs/iomap/seek.c         |  6 ++-
>  fs/iomap/swapfile.c     |  2 +-
>  fs/nfs/file.c           |  2 +-
>  include/linux/fs.h      |  7 ++-
>  include/linux/iomap.h   | 10 ++++-
>  include/uapi/linux/fs.h |  5 ++-
>  mm/filemap.c            | 95
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++----- 14 files changed, 181
> insertions(+), 40 deletions(-)
> 
> Changes since v2:
> - Rework the write side according to Chinners suggestions. Much
> cleaner this way. It does mean that we invalidate the full write
> region if just ONE page (or more) had to be created, where before it
> was more granular. I don't think that's a concern, and on the plus
> side, we now no longer have to chunk invalidations into 15/16 pages
> at the time.
> - Cleanups
> 
> Changes since v1:
> - Switch to pagevecs for write_drop_cached_pages()
> - Use page_offset() instead of manual shift
> - Ensure we hold a reference on the page between calling ->write_end()
> and checking the mapping on the locked page
> - Fix XFS multi-page streamed writes, we'd drop the UNCACHED flag
> after the first page


-- 
Martin



  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-12-12 10:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-12-11 15:29 [PATCHSET v3 0/5] Support for RWF_UNCACHED Jens Axboe
2019-12-11 15:29 ` [PATCH 1/5] fs: add read support " Jens Axboe
2019-12-11 15:29 ` [PATCH 2/5] mm: make generic_perform_write() take a struct kiocb Jens Axboe
2019-12-11 15:29 ` [PATCH 3/5] mm: make buffered writes work with RWF_UNCACHED Jens Axboe
2019-12-11 15:29 ` [PATCH 4/5] iomap: pass in the write_begin/write_end flags to iomap_actor Jens Axboe
2019-12-11 17:19   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-12-11 15:29 ` [PATCH 5/5] iomap: support RWF_UNCACHED for buffered writes Jens Axboe
2019-12-11 17:19   ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-12-11 18:05     ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-12 22:34   ` Dave Chinner
2019-12-13  0:54     ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-13  0:57       ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-16  4:17         ` Dave Chinner
2019-12-17 14:31           ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-18  0:49             ` Dave Chinner
2019-12-18  1:01               ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-11 17:37 ` [PATCHSET v3 0/5] Support for RWF_UNCACHED Linus Torvalds
2019-12-11 17:56   ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-11 19:14     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-12-11 19:34     ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-11 20:03       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-12-11 20:08         ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-11 20:18           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-12-11 21:04             ` Johannes Weiner
2019-12-12  1:30               ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-11 23:41             ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-12  1:08               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-12-12  1:11                 ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-12  1:22                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-12-12  1:29                     ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-12  1:41                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-12-12  1:56                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-12-12  2:47                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-12-12 17:52                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-12-12 18:29                               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-12-12 20:05                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-12-12  1:41                       ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-12  1:49                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-12-12  1:09               ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-12  2:03                 ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-12  2:10                   ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-12  2:21                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-12-12  2:38                     ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-12 22:18                 ` Dave Chinner
2019-12-13  1:32                   ` Chris Mason
2020-01-07 17:42                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-08 14:09                       ` Chris Mason
2020-02-01 10:33                     ` Andres Freund
2019-12-11 20:43           ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-12-11 20:04       ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-12 10:44 ` Martin Steigerwald [this message]
2019-12-12 15:16   ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-12 21:45     ` Martin Steigerwald
2019-12-12 22:15       ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-12 22:18     ` Linus Torvalds

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