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From: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
To: Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	"Vlastimil Babka" <vbabka@suse.cz>, <pedro.falcato@gmail.com>,
	<linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	<linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Oliver Sang <oliver.sang@intel.com>
Subject: The "make headers" requirement, revisited: [PATCH v3 3/3] selftests: pidfd: add tests for PIDFD_SELF_*
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2024 19:01:25 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6dd57f0e-34b4-4456-854b-a8abdba9163b@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a3778bea-0a1e-41b7-b41c-15b116bcbb32@linuxfoundation.org>

On 10/16/24 1:00 PM, Shuah Khan wrote:
> On 10/16/24 04:20, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
...
>> diff --git a/tools/testing/selftests/pidfd/pidfd.h b/tools/testing/selftests/pidfd/pidfd.h
>> index 88d6830ee004..1640b711889b 100644
>> --- a/tools/testing/selftests/pidfd/pidfd.h
>> +++ b/tools/testing/selftests/pidfd/pidfd.h
>> @@ -50,6 +50,14 @@
>>   #define PIDFD_NONBLOCK O_NONBLOCK
>>   #endif
>> +/* System header file may not have this available. */
>> +#ifndef PIDFD_SELF_THREAD
>> +#define PIDFD_SELF_THREAD -100
>> +#endif
>> +#ifndef PIDFD_SELF_THREAD_GROUP
>> +#define PIDFD_SELF_THREAD_GROUP -200
>> +#endif
>> +
> 
> As mentioned in my response to v1 patch:
> 
> kselftest has dependency on "make headers" and tests include
> headers from linux/ directory

Wait, what?! Noooo!

Hi, Shuah! :)

We have had this conversation before. And there were fireworks coming from
various core kernel developers who found that requirement to be unacceptable.

And in response, I made at selftests/mm tests buildable *without* requiring
a "make headers" first, in [1].

I haven't followed up with other subsystems, but...maybe I should. Because
otherwise we're just going to keep having this discussion.

The requirement to do "make headers" is not a keeper. Really.

> 
> These local make it difficult to maintain these tests in the
> longer term. Somebody has to go clean these up later.

There are other approaches to making things work. Again, please see [1].

[1] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=e076eaca5906


thanks,
-- 
John Hubbard

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-10-17  2:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-16 10:20 [PATCH v3 0/3] introduce PIDFD_SELF* sentinels Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-16 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 1/3] pidfd: extend pidfd_get_pid() and de-duplicate pid lookup Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-16 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 2/3] pidfd: add PIDFD_SELF_* sentinels to refer to own thread/process Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-16 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 3/3] selftests: pidfd: add tests for PIDFD_SELF_* Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-16 20:00   ` Shuah Khan
2024-10-16 22:06     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-16 22:30       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-16 22:38       ` Shuah Khan
2024-10-17  8:08         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-17 12:06           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-17 17:17             ` John Hubbard
2024-10-17 17:28               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-17 17:37                 ` John Hubbard
2024-10-17 17:38                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-17 19:37                     ` Shuah Khan
2024-10-17 19:40                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-17  2:14       ` John Hubbard
2024-10-17  7:54         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-01 11:42         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-01 12:46           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-01 19:50             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-05 13:35             ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-06  9:28               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-06 21:18           ` Shuah Khan
2025-05-06 21:34             ` John Hubbard
2025-05-07 20:49               ` Shuah Khan
2024-10-17  2:01     ` John Hubbard [this message]
2024-10-17 16:33       ` The "make headers" requirement, revisited: " Shuah Khan
2024-10-17 16:47         ` John Hubbard
2025-05-07 20:50           ` Shuah Khan
2025-05-08 14:04             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-08 15:06               ` Shuah Khan

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