From: "Nanzhe Zhao" <nzzhao@126.com>
To: lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
willy@infradead.org, yi.zhang@huaweicloud.com,
jaegeuk@kernel.org, "Chao Yu" <chao@kernel.org>,
"Barry Song" <21cnbao@gmail.com>,
wqu@suse.com
Subject: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Large folio support: iomap framework changes versus filesystem-specific implementations
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2026 20:59:38 +0800 (CST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <75f43184.d57.19c7b2269dd.Coremail.nzzhao@126.com> (raw)
Large folios can reduce per-page overhead and improve throughput for large buffered I/O, but enabling them in filesystems is not a mechanical “page → folio” conversion. The core difficulty is preserving correctness and performance when a folio must maintain subrange state, while existing filesystem code paths and the iomap buffered I/O framework make different assumptions about state tracking, locking lifetime, block mapping, and writeback semantics.
This session proposes a cross-filesystem discussion around two directions that are actively being explored:
Iomap approach: adopt iomap buffered I/O paths and benefit from iomap-style subrange folio state machinery. However, much of this machinery lives as static helpers inside iomap’s implementation (e.g., in buffered-io.c) and is not available as a reusable API, which pushes filesystems toward re-implementing similar logic. Moreover, iomap’s per-folio state relies on folio-private metadata storage, which can clash with filesystem-specific folio-private usage.
Native fs approach: keep native buffered I/O paths and implement filesystem-specific folio_state tracking and helpers to avoid whole-folio dirtying/write amplification and to match filesystem-private metadata (e.g., private flags). This avoids some iomap integration constraints and preserves filesystem-specific optimizations, but it increases filesystem-local complexity and long-term maintenance cost.
Using f2fs as a concrete instance (log-structured, indirect-pointer mapping, private folio flags), this session consolidates two recurring issues relevant across filesystems:
Per-folio state tracking: iomap subrange-state API exposure vs filesystem-local solution.
COW writeback support: minimal iomap extensions vs filesystem-local writeback for COW paths.
The goal is to converge on recommended design patterns and actionable next steps for f2fs/ext4/btrfs/others to enable large folios without correctness risks or performance regressions.
Best regards,
Nanzhe Zhao
Related Patches for Large Folios:
f2fs:
- https://lore.kernel.org/all/20250813092131.44762-1-nzzhao@126.com/
- https://lore.kernel.org/linux-f2fs-devel/20251120235446.1947532-1-jaegeuk@kernel.org/
- https://lore.kernel.org/linux-f2fs-devel/20260203091256.854842-1-nzzhao@126.com/
ext4:
- https://lore.kernel.org/all/20250512063319.3539411-1-yi.zhang@huaweicloud.com/
btrfs:
- https://lore.kernel.org/all/676154e5415d8d15499fb8c02b0eabbb1c6cef26.1745403878.git.wqu@suse.com/
next reply other threads:[~2026-02-20 13:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-20 12:59 Nanzhe Zhao [this message]
2026-02-20 15:48 ` [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Large folio support: iomap framework changes versus filesystem-specific implementations Christoph Hellwig
2026-02-20 18:40 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-02-23 21:36 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-02-26 10:13 ` Barry Song
2026-02-27 2:02 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-02-27 2:43 ` Barry Song
2026-02-27 19:25 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-02-20 17:07 ` [Lsf-pc] " Jan Kara
2026-02-23 8:34 ` Iomap and compression? (Was "Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Large folio support: iomap framework changes versus filesystem-specific implementations") Qu Wenruo
2026-02-23 13:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-02-23 21:53 ` Qu Wenruo
2026-02-24 14:58 ` Christoph Hellwig
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