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From: Ritesh Harjani (IBM) <ritesh.list@gmail.com>
To: John Garry <john.g.garry@oracle.com>,
	chandan.babu@oracle.com, djwong@kernel.org, dchinner@redhat.com,
	hch@lst.de
Cc: viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, brauner@kernel.org, jack@suse.cz,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, catherine.hoang@oracle.com,
	martin.petersen@oracle.com, John Garry <john.g.garry@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/14] forcealign for xfs
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2024 23:44:29 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87frqf2smy.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240813163638.3751939-1-john.g.garry@oracle.com>

John Garry <john.g.garry@oracle.com> writes:

> This series is being spun off the block atomic writes for xfs series at
> [0].
>
> That series got too big.
>
> The actual forcealign patches are roughly the same in this series.
>
> Why forcealign?
> In some scenarios to may be required to guarantee extent alignment and
> granularity.
>
> For example, for atomic writes, the maximum atomic write unit size would
> be limited at the extent alignment and granularity, guaranteeing that an
> atomic write would not span data present in multiple extents.
>
> forcealign may be useful as a performance tuning optimization in other
> scenarios.
>
> I decided not to support forcealign for RT devices here. Initially I
> thought that it would be quite simple of implement. However, I discovered
> through much testing and subsequent debug that this was not true, so I
> decided to defer support to later.
>
> Early development xfsprogs support is at:
> https://github.com/johnpgarry/xfsprogs-dev/commits/atomic-writes/
>

Hi John,

Thanks for your continued work on atomic write.
I went over the XFS patch series and this is my understanding + some queries. Could you please help with these.

1. As I understand XFS untorn atomic write support is built on top of FORCEALIGN feature (which this series is adding) which in turn uses extsize hint feature underneath.
   Now extsize hint mainly controls the alignment of both "physical start" & "logical start" offset and extent length, correct?
   This is done using args->alignment for start aand args->prod/mode variables for extent length. Correct?

   - If say we are not able to allocate an aligned physical start? Then since extsize is just a hint we go ahead with whatever best available extent is right?
   - also extsize looks to be only providing allocation side of hints. (not de-allocation). Correct?

2. If say there is an append write i.e. the allocation is needed to be done at EOF. Then we try for an exact bno (from eof block) and aligned extent length, right?
   i.e. xfs_bmap_btalloc_filestreams() -> xfs_bmap_btalloc_at_eof(ap, args);
   If it is not available then we try for nearby bno xfs_alloc_vextent_near_bno(args, target) and similar...

3. It is the FORCEALIGN feature which _mandates_ both allocation (by using extsize hint) and de-allocation to happen _only_ in extsize chunks.
   i.e. forcealign mandates -
   - the logical and physical start offset should be aligned as per args->alignment
   - extent length be aligned as per args->prod/mod.
     If above two cannot be satisfied then return -ENOSPC.

   - Does the unmapping of extents also only happens in extsize chunks (with forcealign)?
     If the start or end of the extent which needs unmapping is unaligned then we convert that extent to unwritten and skip, is it? (__xfs_bunmapi())
     This is a bit unclear to me. Maybe I need to look more deeper into the __xfs_bunmapi() while loop.

My knowledge about this is still limited so please ignore any silly questions.

-ritesh

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-09-04 18:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-13 16:36 [PATCH v4 00/14] forcealign for xfs John Garry
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 01/14] xfs: only allow minlen allocations when near ENOSPC John Garry
2024-08-23 16:28   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 02/14] xfs: always tail align maxlen allocations John Garry
2024-08-23 16:31   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-08-29 17:58     ` John Garry
2024-08-29 21:34       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 03/14] xfs: simplify extent allocation alignment John Garry
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 04/14] xfs: make EOF allocation simpler John Garry
2024-09-04 18:25   ` Ritesh Harjani
2024-09-05  7:51     ` John Garry
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 05/14] xfs: introduce forced allocation alignment John Garry
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 06/14] xfs: align args->minlen for " John Garry
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 07/14] xfs: Introduce FORCEALIGN inode flag John Garry
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 08/14] xfs: Update xfs_inode_alloc_unitsize() for forcealign John Garry
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 09/14] xfs: Update xfs_setattr_size() " John Garry
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 10/14] xfs: Do not free EOF blocks " John Garry
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 11/14] xfs: Only free full extents " John Garry
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 12/14] xfs: Unmap blocks according to forcealign John Garry
2024-08-23 16:35   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 13/14] xfs: Don't revert allocated offset for forcealign John Garry
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 14/14] xfs: Enable file data forcealign feature John Garry
2024-09-04 18:14 ` Ritesh Harjani [this message]
2024-09-04 23:20   ` [PATCH v4 00/14] forcealign for xfs Dave Chinner
2024-09-05  3:56     ` Ritesh Harjani
2024-09-05  6:33       ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-10  2:51         ` Ritesh Harjani
2024-09-16  6:33           ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-10 12:33         ` Ritesh Harjani
2024-09-16  7:03           ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-16 10:24             ` John Garry
2024-09-17 20:54               ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-09-17 23:34                 ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-17 22:12               ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-18  7:59                 ` John Garry
2024-09-23  2:57                   ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-23  3:33                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-09-23  8:16                       ` John Garry
2024-09-23 12:07                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-09-23 12:33                           ` John Garry
2024-09-24  6:17                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-09-24  9:48                               ` John Garry
2024-11-29 11:36                                 ` John Garry
2024-09-23  8:00                     ` John Garry
2024-09-05 10:15     ` John Garry
2024-09-05 21:47       ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-06 14:31         ` John Garry
2024-09-08 22:49           ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-09 16:18             ` John Garry
2024-09-16  5:25               ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-16  9:44                 ` John Garry
2024-09-17 22:27                   ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-18 10:12                     ` John Garry
2024-11-14 12:48                       ` Long Li
2024-11-14 16:22                         ` John Garry
2024-11-14 20:07                         ` Dave Chinner
2024-11-15  8:14                           ` John Garry
2024-11-15 11:20                           ` Long Li

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