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From: Goswin von Brederlow <brederlo@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de>
Subject: Re: [00/41] Large Blocksize Support V7 (adds memmap support)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:56:07 +0200
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Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de> writes:

> You ignore one other bit, when "/usr/bin/free" says 1G is free, with
> config-page-shift it's free no matter what, same goes for not mlocked
> cache. With variable order page cache, /usr/bin/free becomes mostly a
> lie as long as there's no 4k fallback (like fsblock).

% free
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:       1398784    1372956      25828          0     225224     321504
-/+ buffers/cache:     826228     572556
Swap:      1048568         20    1048548

When has free ever given any usefull "free" number? I can perfectly
fine allocate another gigabyte of memory despide free saing 25MB. But
that is because I know that the buffer/cached are not locked in.

On the other hand 1GB can instantly vanish when I start a xen domain
and anything relying on the free value would loose.


The only sensible thing for an application concerned with swapping is
to whatch the swapping and then reduce itself. Not the amount
free. Although I wish there were some kernel interface to get a
preasure value of how valuable free pages would be right now. I would
like that for fuse so a userspace filesystem can do caching without
cripling the kernel.

MfG
        Goswin