From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.29]:51071 "EHLO out5-smtp.messagingengine.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727700AbeKNWNW (ORCPT ); Wed, 14 Nov 2018 17:13:22 -0500 From: Nikolaus Rath To: Miklos Szeredi Cc: linux-fsdevel , Al Viro , Neil Brown Subject: Re: Behaviour of /proc/self/fd/NN References: <87pnv8kke8.fsf@thinkpad.rath.org> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 12:10:20 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Miklos Szeredi's message of "Wed, 14 Nov 2018 12:57:20 +0100") Message-ID: <87muqblv0z.fsf@thinkpad.rath.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: linux-fsdevel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Nov 14 2018, Miklos Szeredi wrote: > On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Nikolaus Rath wrote: >> Hi, >> >> If I understand Documentation/filesystems/path-lookup.md correctly, then >> the "symlinks" in /proc/self/fd/NN are not true symlinks but just >> presented as such to userspace. Does this mean that I can access (e.g., >> open(), setxattr(), or chmod()) these files without the possibility of >> race conditions? I.e., there is no way for someone to rename the target >> after the kernel has "looked up" the target but before the operation is >> applied? > > Exactly. The only limitation is that if the target is a symlink (fd > opened with O_PATH) then the neither the symlink following, nor the > non-following variants will do the right thing (see *xattr ops in > passthrough_ll for example). A workaround for that case would be to use readlink() and then act on that without eg lgetxattr. That would introduce a race condition, but it would work where that's not a concern, right? That said, I also noticed the following code to handle utimens for symlinks: res =3D utimensat(inode->fd, "", tv, AT_EMPTY_PATH | AT_SYMLINK_NOFOLLOW); if (res =3D=3D -1 && errno =3D=3D EINVAL) { /* Sorry, no race free way to set times on symlink. */ errno =3D EPERM; } So it looks as it at least utimensat() does the right thing under at least some conditions...? >> Secondly, under which conditions can I open the files in /proc? Does >> this still work if the destination file has been unlinked? > > Yes. > >> Does it >> always follow renames? What if I mounted something over the destination? > > It works in all those cases. Did you mean it *always* works, or it works in the cases I listed but there are other cases where it can fail? Thanks! -Nikolaus --=20 GPG Fingerprint: ED31 791B 2C5C 1613 AF38 8B8A D113 FCAC 3C4E 599F =C2=BBTime flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana.=C2= =AB