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From: Luis Henriques <luis@igalia.com>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com>,
	 "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	 Bernd Schubert <bschubert@ddn.com>,
	 Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>,  Kevin Chen <kchen@ddn.com>,
	 Horst Birthelmer <hbirthelmer@ddn.com>,
	 "linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	 "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	 Matt Harvey <mharvey@jumptrading.com>,
	"kernel-dev@igalia.com" <kernel-dev@igalia.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 4/6] fuse: implementation of the FUSE_LOOKUP_HANDLE operation
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2025 16:17:10 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sed9ozg9.fsf@wotan.olymp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJfpegsDL70SZVBKNcdUJcyuf+ifQGuMRy+p80ToUaQFL2aXag@mail.gmail.com> (Miklos Szeredi's message of "Wed, 17 Dec 2025 11:08:04 +0100")

On Wed, Dec 17 2025, Miklos Szeredi wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 at 10:38, Luis Henriques <luis@igalia.com> wrote:
>
>> (A question that just appeared in my mind is whether the two lookup
>> operations should be exclusive, i.e. if the kernel should explicitly avoid
>> sending a LOOKUP to a server that implements LOOKUP_HANDLE and vice-versa.
>> I _think_ the current implementation currently does this, but that was
>> mostly by accident.)
>
> Yes, I think LOOKUP_HANDLE should supersede LOOKUP.

Ack.

> Which begs the question: do we need nodeid and generation if file
> handles are used by the server?
>
> The generation is for guaranteeing uniqueness, and a file handle must
> also provide that property, so it is clearly superfluous.
>
> The nodeid is different.  It can be used as a temporary tag for easy
> lookup of a cached object (e.g. cast to a pointer).  Since it's
> temporary, it can't be embedded in the file handle.
>
> The direct cache reference can be replaced with a hash table lookup
> based on the file handle.  This would have an additional advantage,
> namely that the lifetime of objects in the user cache are not strictly
> synchronized with the kernel cache (FORGET completely omitted, or just
> a hint).

OK, this will require some more (or a lot more!) thinking from my side.
There are already several big(ish) suggestions I've started looking into,
and I need to go through them again.  Slowly ;-)

It's not clear to me at this point how to keep using nodeid+gen for
backward compatibility and replacing it by an hash table for the new
operation.  At first, it looks like a lot of code complexity will be
required for that.  But as I said, I'll need to go back and start
experimenting.

Other big change is to use fuse_ext_header instead of a variable size arg:
sounds interesting but will require more experimentation.  So, time for
going back to the drawing board!

Cheers,
-- 
Luís

  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-17 16:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-12 18:12 [RFC PATCH v2 0/6] fuse: LOOKUP_HANDLE operation Luis Henriques
2025-12-12 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/6] fuse: store index of the variable length argument Luis Henriques
2025-12-12 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/6] fuse: move fuse_entry_out structs out of the stack Luis Henriques
2025-12-15 14:03   ` Bernd Schubert
2025-12-16 10:30     ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-12 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/6] fuse: initial infrastructure for FUSE_LOOKUP_HANDLE support Luis Henriques
2025-12-15 13:36   ` Bernd Schubert
2025-12-15 17:06     ` Amir Goldstein
2025-12-15 17:11       ` Bernd Schubert
2025-12-15 18:09         ` Amir Goldstein
2025-12-15 18:23           ` Bernd Schubert
2025-12-16 10:36           ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-16 10:19   ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-12-16 11:33     ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-16 11:46       ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-12-16 12:02         ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-12 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/6] fuse: implementation of the FUSE_LOOKUP_HANDLE operation Luis Henriques
2025-12-15 17:39   ` Bernd Schubert
2025-12-16 11:48     ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-17 10:18       ` Amir Goldstein
2025-12-17 14:45         ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-17 15:02       ` Bernd Schubert
2025-12-17 16:53         ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-16  8:49   ` Joanne Koong
2025-12-16  8:54     ` Bernd Schubert
2025-12-17  0:32       ` Joanne Koong
2025-12-17  1:00         ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-12-17  2:48           ` Joanne Koong
2025-12-17  9:38             ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-17 10:08               ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-12-17 16:17                 ` Luis Henriques [this message]
2025-12-16 10:39   ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-12-16 10:51     ` Amir Goldstein
2025-12-16 11:07       ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-01-09 11:57     ` Luis Henriques
2026-01-09 12:38       ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-01-09 14:45         ` Luis Henriques
2026-01-09 14:56           ` Horst Birthelmer
2026-01-09 17:07             ` Luis Henriques
2026-01-12  7:43               ` Horst Birthelmer
2026-01-09 15:20           ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-01-09 15:03         ` Amir Goldstein
2026-01-09 15:37           ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-01-09 15:56             ` Bernd Schubert
2026-01-09 16:28               ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-01-09 17:16                 ` Luis Henriques
2026-01-09 18:29               ` Amir Goldstein
2026-01-09 19:01                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-01-09 19:28                   ` Amir Goldstein
2026-01-09 19:12                 ` Bernd Schubert
2026-01-09 19:55                   ` Horst Birthelmer
2026-01-21 17:56                     ` Luis Henriques
2026-01-21 18:16                       ` Horst Birthelmer
2026-01-21 18:28                         ` Bernd Schubert
2026-01-21 18:36                           ` Horst Birthelmer
2026-01-21 18:49                             ` Bernd Schubert
2026-01-21 19:00                               ` Horst Birthelmer
2026-01-21 19:03                                 ` Bernd Schubert
2026-01-21 19:12                                   ` Horst Birthelmer
2026-01-22  9:52                                     ` Luis Henriques
2026-01-22 10:20                                       ` Horst Birthelmer
2026-01-22 10:35                                         ` Bernd Schubert
2026-01-22 10:53                                         ` Luis Henriques
2026-01-22 10:59                                           ` Horst Birthelmer
2026-01-22 11:25                                             ` Luis Henriques
2026-01-22 11:32                                               ` Bernd Schubert
2026-01-22 12:34                                               ` Horst Birthelmer
2025-12-12 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH v2 5/6] fuse: factor out NFS export related code Luis Henriques
2025-12-14 15:13   ` Amir Goldstein
2025-12-15 12:05     ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-12 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH v2 6/6] fuse: implementation of export_operations with FUSE_LOOKUP_HANDLE Luis Henriques
2025-12-16 10:58   ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-12-16 17:06     ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-16 20:12       ` Horst Birthelmer
2025-12-17 17:02         ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-17 18:02           ` Horst Birthelmer
2025-12-16 11:01   ` Amir Goldstein
2025-12-16 17:26     ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-14 17:02 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/6] fuse: LOOKUP_HANDLE operation Askar Safin
2025-12-15 12:08   ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-16  0:33     ` Askar Safin
2025-12-16 17:36       ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-16 18:49       ` Bernd Schubert
2025-12-16 22:45         ` Askar Safin
2025-12-25  7:42         ` Askar Safin
2026-01-04 22:38         ` Askar Safin

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