From: Luis Henriques <luis@igalia.com>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com>,
"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
Bernd Schubert <bschubert@ddn.com>,
Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>, Kevin Chen <kchen@ddn.com>,
Horst Birthelmer <hbirthelmer@ddn.com>,
"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Matt Harvey <mharvey@jumptrading.com>,
"kernel-dev@igalia.com" <kernel-dev@igalia.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 4/6] fuse: implementation of the FUSE_LOOKUP_HANDLE operation
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2025 16:17:10 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sed9ozg9.fsf@wotan.olymp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJfpegsDL70SZVBKNcdUJcyuf+ifQGuMRy+p80ToUaQFL2aXag@mail.gmail.com> (Miklos Szeredi's message of "Wed, 17 Dec 2025 11:08:04 +0100")
On Wed, Dec 17 2025, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 at 10:38, Luis Henriques <luis@igalia.com> wrote:
>
>> (A question that just appeared in my mind is whether the two lookup
>> operations should be exclusive, i.e. if the kernel should explicitly avoid
>> sending a LOOKUP to a server that implements LOOKUP_HANDLE and vice-versa.
>> I _think_ the current implementation currently does this, but that was
>> mostly by accident.)
>
> Yes, I think LOOKUP_HANDLE should supersede LOOKUP.
Ack.
> Which begs the question: do we need nodeid and generation if file
> handles are used by the server?
>
> The generation is for guaranteeing uniqueness, and a file handle must
> also provide that property, so it is clearly superfluous.
>
> The nodeid is different. It can be used as a temporary tag for easy
> lookup of a cached object (e.g. cast to a pointer). Since it's
> temporary, it can't be embedded in the file handle.
>
> The direct cache reference can be replaced with a hash table lookup
> based on the file handle. This would have an additional advantage,
> namely that the lifetime of objects in the user cache are not strictly
> synchronized with the kernel cache (FORGET completely omitted, or just
> a hint).
OK, this will require some more (or a lot more!) thinking from my side.
There are already several big(ish) suggestions I've started looking into,
and I need to go through them again. Slowly ;-)
It's not clear to me at this point how to keep using nodeid+gen for
backward compatibility and replacing it by an hash table for the new
operation. At first, it looks like a lot of code complexity will be
required for that. But as I said, I'll need to go back and start
experimenting.
Other big change is to use fuse_ext_header instead of a variable size arg:
sounds interesting but will require more experimentation. So, time for
going back to the drawing board!
Cheers,
--
Luís
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-12-17 16:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-12-12 18:12 [RFC PATCH v2 0/6] fuse: LOOKUP_HANDLE operation Luis Henriques
2025-12-12 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/6] fuse: store index of the variable length argument Luis Henriques
2025-12-12 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/6] fuse: move fuse_entry_out structs out of the stack Luis Henriques
2025-12-15 14:03 ` Bernd Schubert
2025-12-16 10:30 ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-12 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/6] fuse: initial infrastructure for FUSE_LOOKUP_HANDLE support Luis Henriques
2025-12-15 13:36 ` Bernd Schubert
2025-12-15 17:06 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-12-15 17:11 ` Bernd Schubert
2025-12-15 18:09 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-12-15 18:23 ` Bernd Schubert
2025-12-16 10:36 ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-16 10:19 ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-12-16 11:33 ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-16 11:46 ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-12-16 12:02 ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-12 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/6] fuse: implementation of the FUSE_LOOKUP_HANDLE operation Luis Henriques
2025-12-15 17:39 ` Bernd Schubert
2025-12-16 11:48 ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-17 10:18 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-12-17 14:45 ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-17 15:02 ` Bernd Schubert
2025-12-17 16:53 ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-16 8:49 ` Joanne Koong
2025-12-16 8:54 ` Bernd Schubert
2025-12-17 0:32 ` Joanne Koong
2025-12-17 1:00 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-12-17 2:48 ` Joanne Koong
2025-12-17 9:38 ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-17 10:08 ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-12-17 16:17 ` Luis Henriques [this message]
2025-12-16 10:39 ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-12-16 10:51 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-12-16 11:07 ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-01-09 11:57 ` Luis Henriques
2026-01-09 12:38 ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-01-09 14:45 ` Luis Henriques
2026-01-09 14:56 ` Horst Birthelmer
2026-01-09 17:07 ` Luis Henriques
2026-01-12 7:43 ` Horst Birthelmer
2026-01-09 15:20 ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-01-09 15:03 ` Amir Goldstein
2026-01-09 15:37 ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-01-09 15:56 ` Bernd Schubert
2026-01-09 16:28 ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-01-09 17:16 ` Luis Henriques
2026-01-09 18:29 ` Amir Goldstein
2026-01-09 19:01 ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-01-09 19:28 ` Amir Goldstein
2026-01-09 19:12 ` Bernd Schubert
2026-01-09 19:55 ` Horst Birthelmer
2026-01-21 17:56 ` Luis Henriques
2026-01-21 18:16 ` Horst Birthelmer
2026-01-21 18:28 ` Bernd Schubert
2026-01-21 18:36 ` Horst Birthelmer
2026-01-21 18:49 ` Bernd Schubert
2026-01-21 19:00 ` Horst Birthelmer
2026-01-21 19:03 ` Bernd Schubert
2026-01-21 19:12 ` Horst Birthelmer
2026-01-22 9:52 ` Luis Henriques
2026-01-22 10:20 ` Horst Birthelmer
2026-01-22 10:35 ` Bernd Schubert
2026-01-22 10:53 ` Luis Henriques
2026-01-22 10:59 ` Horst Birthelmer
2026-01-22 11:25 ` Luis Henriques
2026-01-22 11:32 ` Bernd Schubert
2026-01-22 12:34 ` Horst Birthelmer
2025-12-12 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH v2 5/6] fuse: factor out NFS export related code Luis Henriques
2025-12-14 15:13 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-12-15 12:05 ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-12 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH v2 6/6] fuse: implementation of export_operations with FUSE_LOOKUP_HANDLE Luis Henriques
2025-12-16 10:58 ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-12-16 17:06 ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-16 20:12 ` Horst Birthelmer
2025-12-17 17:02 ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-17 18:02 ` Horst Birthelmer
2025-12-16 11:01 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-12-16 17:26 ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-14 17:02 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/6] fuse: LOOKUP_HANDLE operation Askar Safin
2025-12-15 12:08 ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-16 0:33 ` Askar Safin
2025-12-16 17:36 ` Luis Henriques
2025-12-16 18:49 ` Bernd Schubert
2025-12-16 22:45 ` Askar Safin
2025-12-25 7:42 ` Askar Safin
2026-01-04 22:38 ` Askar Safin
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