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From: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
To: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: casey@schaufler-ca.com, Dave Quigley <dpquigl@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	viro@ftp.linux.org.uk, trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no,
	bfields@fieldses.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	LSM List <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/11] Security: Add hook to get full maclabel xattr name
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:52:15 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <880770.6811.qm@web36613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1204291865.31790.235.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil>


--- Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov> wrote:

> 
> On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 18:48 -0500, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 02:30:35PM -0500, Stephen Smalley wrote:
> > > This is an interface to be used by NFS to get information from the
> > > security module.  The information desired is specific to the MAC
> > > labeling functionality in NFSv4 that is being proposed.  That
> > > functionality is MAC specific (necessarily so, just like the ACL
> > > functionality is ACL specific).  We are hiding the SELinux-specific bits
> > > behind the LSM interface, and non-MAC LSMs are free to return NULL in
> > > order to indicate that they don't support MAC labeling.  We do NOT want
> > > the capability module to return its security blob here, or any other
> > > non-MAC LSM - it will yield the wrong semantics for the NFS MAC support.
> > 
> > I think Casey is totally right here.  The LSM interface should not be
> > as specific here.  If you want to limit the NFSv4 interface to single
> > MAC xattr label based systems add an additional method to check if
> > the LSM is that.  But the proper fix is of course to not add somthing
> > so specific to NFSv4 at all, as it's got enough shortcoming already.
> > Please add a proper xattr protocol.  It's not like it's hard, SGI
> > has been doing this in IRIX for NFSv3 for ages as a sideband protocol,
> > and even release the reference source under the GPL.  Just either use
> > that with NFSv4 or if you feel fancy merge it into the NFS spec for
> > NFSv6^H4.2.
> > 
> > > In any event, I don't think we need your permission.
> > 
> > Wow, that's rude even to someone as direct as me.  Casey is the only
> > other person having an in-tree LSM, and I think his input in this
> > area is important.  But if not I as a VFS person can happily give
> > you my "no" for the current version from the VFS point of view.
> 
> Fair point - my apologies to Casey.

Accepted. Now we work together like horses in troika.


Casey Schaufler
casey@schaufler-ca.com

  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-29 17:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-27 22:11 RFC Labeled NFS Initial Code Review David P. Quigley
2008-02-27 22:11 ` [PATCH 01/11] Security: Add hook to get full maclabel xattr name David P. Quigley
2008-02-27 23:42   ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-28  0:12     ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-28  1:07       ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-28 13:43         ` Stephen Smalley
2008-02-28 19:23           ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-28 19:30             ` Stephen Smalley
2008-02-28 19:59               ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-28 23:48               ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-02-29  0:04                 ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-29  0:39                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-02-29  0:32                     ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-29  1:00                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-02-29  0:42                         ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-29  2:07                           ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-29  1:48                             ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-29 13:30                         ` Stephen Smalley
2008-02-29 14:45                           ` Stephen Smalley
2008-02-29  1:47                       ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-29  1:33                         ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-29  2:15                         ` James Morris
2008-02-29  0:50                     ` Trond Myklebust
2008-02-29  0:51                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-02-29  1:00                         ` Trond Myklebust
2008-02-29  1:55                           ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-29  5:04                             ` Trond Myklebust
2008-02-29 17:46                               ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-29 18:28                                 ` Trond Myklebust
2008-02-29 18:52                                   ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-29 19:50                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2008-02-29 21:07                                       ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-29 21:00                                         ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-29 22:27                                           ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-29 22:15                                             ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-29 22:58                                               ` Casey Schaufler
2008-03-01  0:09                                         ` Trond Myklebust
2008-03-01  0:41                                           ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-29  1:26                       ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-29  5:01                         ` Trond Myklebust
2008-02-29 17:26                           ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-29  1:04                   ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-29  0:52                     ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-29  2:29                       ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-29  2:09                         ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-29  1:15                   ` James Morris
2008-02-29 13:31                 ` Stephen Smalley
2008-02-29 17:52                   ` Casey Schaufler [this message]
2008-02-29 21:50   ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-27 22:11 ` [PATCH 02/11] Security: Add hook to calculate context based on a negative dentry David P. Quigley
2008-02-27 22:11 ` [PATCH 03/11] VFS: Add security label support to *notify David P. Quigley
2008-02-28  1:20   ` James Morris
2008-02-28 16:07     ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-28 23:54   ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-02-28 23:44     ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-29  0:23       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-02-29  0:06         ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-29  1:52         ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-29 20:19         ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-27 22:11 ` [PATCH 04/11] KConfig: Add KConfig entries for SELinux labeled NFS David P. Quigley
2008-02-27 22:11 ` [PATCH 05/11] NFSv4: Add label recommended attribute and NFSv4 flags David P. Quigley
2008-02-28  1:52   ` James Morris
2008-02-28  1:45     ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-28 13:55     ` Stephen Smalley
2008-02-27 22:11 ` [PATCH 06/11] SELinux: Add new labeling type native labels David P. Quigley
2008-02-27 22:11 ` [PATCH 07/11] NFS/SELinux: Add security_label text mount option to nfs and add handling code to the security server David P. Quigley
2008-02-28 14:22   ` Eric Paris
2008-02-27 22:11 ` [PATCH 08/11] NFS: Introduce lifecycle management for label attribute David P. Quigley
2008-02-28  4:13   ` James Morris
2008-02-28 16:24     ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-28 16:46   ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-27 22:11 ` [PATCH 09/11] NFS: Client implementation of Labeled-NFS David P. Quigley
2008-02-27 22:11 ` [PATCH 10/11] NFS: Extend nfs xattr handlers to accept the security namespace David P. Quigley
2008-02-27 22:11 ` [PATCH 11/11] NFSD: Server implementation of MAC Labeling David P. Quigley
2008-02-28  1:46   ` James Morris
2008-02-28  0:48 ` RFC Labeled NFS Initial Code Review Dave Quigley
2008-02-28  1:23 ` Dave Quigley
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-02-27 20:39 David P. Quigley
2008-02-27 20:39 ` [PATCH 01/11] Security: Add hook to get full maclabel xattr name David P. Quigley

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