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From: Bernd Schubert <bernd.schubert@fastmail.fm>
To: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>
Cc: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	Daniel Rosenberg <drosen@google.com>,
	Paul Lawrence <paullawrence@google.com>,
	Alessio Balsini <balsini@android.com>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	fuse-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v14 00/12] FUSE passthrough for file io
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2023 09:56:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <89bf04b5-fefb-415a-942b-a4e1dc18a62a@fastmail.fm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOQ4uxh1UWY_OLV1Zq-phFXcOFVp=EJHtgZdXB021Fr-ZHPWzg@mail.gmail.com>



On 12/7/23 08:23, Amir Goldstein wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 1:11 AM Bernd Schubert
> <bernd.schubert@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Amir,
>>
>>
>> On 12/6/23 10:59, Amir Goldstein wrote:
>>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 6:55 PM Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 16:52, Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> direct I/O read()/write() is never a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> The question is whether mmap() on a file opened with FOPEN_DIRECT_IO
>>>>> when the inode is in passthrough mode, also uses fuse_passthrough_mmap()?
>>>>
>>>> I think it should.
>>>>
>>>>> or denied, similar to how mmap with ff->open_flags & FOPEN_DIRECT_IO &&
>>>>> vma->vm_flags & VM_MAYSHARE) && !fc->direct_io_relax
>>>>> is denied?
>>>>
>>>> What would be the use case for FOPEN_DIRECT_IO with passthrough mmap?
>>>>
>>>>> A bit more challenging, because we will need to track unmounts, or at
>>>>> least track
>>>>> "was_cached_mmaped" state per file, but doable.
>>>>
>>>> Tracking unmaps via fuse_vma_close() should not be difficult.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think that it is.
>>>
>>> fuse_vma_close() does not seem to be balanced with fuse_file_mmap()
>>> because IIUC, maps can be cloned via fork() etc.
>>>
>>> It tried to implement an iocachectr refcount to track cache mmaps,
>>> but it keeps underflowing in fuse_vma_close().
>>>
>>> I would like us to consider a slightly different model.
>>>
>>> We agreed that caching and passthrough mode on the same
>>> inode cannot mix and there is no problem with different modes
>>> per inode on the same filesystem.
>>>
>>> I have a use case for mixing direct_io and passthrough on the
>>> same inode (i.e. inode in passthrough mode).
>>>
>>> I have no use case (yet) for the transition from caching to passthrough
>>> mode on the same inode and direct_io cached mmaps complicate
>>> things quite a bit for this scenario.
>>>
>>> My proposal is to taint a direct_io file with FOPEN_CACHE_MMAP
>>> if it was ever mmaped using page cache.
>>> We will not try to clean this flag in fuse_vma_close(), it stays with
>>> the file until release.
>>>
>>> An FOPEN_CACHE_MMAP file forces an inode into caching mode,
>>> same as a regular caching open.
>>
>> where do you actually want to set that flag? My initial idea for
>> FUSE_I_CACHE_WRITES was to set that in fuse_file_mmap, but I would have
>> needed the i_rwsem lock and that resulted in a lock ordering issue.
>>
> 
> Yes, the idea is to set this flag on the first mmap of a FOPEN_DIRECT_IO file.
> Why does that require an i_rwsem lock?
> 
> Before setting FUSE_I_CACHE_WRITES inode flag, your patch does:
>      wait_event(fi->direct_io_waitq, fi->shared_lock_direct_io_ctr == 0);
> 
> We can do the same in direct_io mmap, before setting the
> FOPEN_CACHE_MMAP file flag and consequently changing inode
> mode to caching. No?


Yeah right, that will work.

Thanks,
Bernd

      reply	other threads:[~2023-12-07  8:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-16 16:08 [PATCH v14 00/12] FUSE passthrough for file io Amir Goldstein
2023-10-16 16:08 ` [PATCH v14 01/12] fs: prepare for stackable filesystems backing file helpers Amir Goldstein
2023-10-16 16:08 ` [PATCH v14 02/12] fs: factor out backing_file_{read,write}_iter() helpers Amir Goldstein
2023-10-16 16:08 ` [PATCH v14 03/12] fs: factor out backing_file_splice_{read,write}() helpers Amir Goldstein
2023-10-16 16:08 ` [PATCH v14 04/12] fs: factor out backing_file_mmap() helper Amir Goldstein
2023-10-16 16:08 ` [PATCH v14 05/12] fuse: factor out helper for FUSE_DEV_IOC_CLONE Amir Goldstein
2023-10-16 16:08 ` [PATCH v14 06/12] fuse: introduce FUSE_PASSTHROUGH capability Amir Goldstein
2023-10-16 16:08 ` [PATCH v14 07/12] fuse: pass optional backing_id in struct fuse_open_out Amir Goldstein
2023-10-16 16:08 ` [PATCH v14 08/12] fuse: implement ioctls to manage backing files Amir Goldstein
2023-10-17  9:45   ` Amir Goldstein
2023-10-16 16:08 ` [PATCH v14 09/12] fuse: implement read/write passthrough Amir Goldstein
2023-10-16 16:09 ` [PATCH v14 10/12] fuse: implement splice_{read/write} passthrough Amir Goldstein
2023-10-16 16:09 ` [PATCH v14 11/12] fuse: implement passthrough for mmap Amir Goldstein
2023-10-16 16:09 ` [PATCH v14 12/12] fuse: implement passthrough for readdir Amir Goldstein
2023-10-19 14:33 ` [PATCH v14 00/12] FUSE passthrough for file io Amir Goldstein
2023-10-30 10:16   ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-10-31 10:28     ` Amir Goldstein
2023-10-31 11:16       ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-10-31 12:31         ` Amir Goldstein
2023-10-31 15:01           ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-10-31 17:44             ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-01 11:32               ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-11-01 13:23                 ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-01 14:42                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-11-01 15:06                     ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-01 15:25                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-11-01 18:32                         ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-02 10:46                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-11-02 13:07                             ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-02 13:13                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-01-26 12:13                                 ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-29  7:25                     ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-29 14:13                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-11-29 15:06                         ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-29 15:21                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-11-29 15:52                             ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-29 16:55                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-11-29 17:39                                 ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-29 20:46                                   ` Bernd Schubert
2023-11-29 21:39                                     ` Antonio SJ Musumeci
2023-11-29 22:01                                       ` Bernd Schubert
2023-11-30  7:29                                         ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-30  7:12                                       ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-30  8:17                                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-12-06  9:59                                 ` Amir Goldstein
2023-12-06 23:11                                   ` Bernd Schubert
2023-12-07  7:23                                     ` Amir Goldstein
2023-12-07  8:56                                       ` Bernd Schubert [this message]

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