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From: Ric Wheeler <ricwheeler@gmail.com>
To: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	lczerner@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Testing devices for discard support properly
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 14:12:18 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <99144ff8-4f2c-487d-a366-6294f87beb58@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yq15zqkluyl.fsf@oracle.com>

(stripped out the html junk, resending)

On 5/8/19 1:25 PM, Martin K. Petersen wrote:
>>> WRITE SAME also has an ANCHOR flag which provides a use case we
>>> currently don't have fallocate plumbing for: Allocating blocks without
>>> caring about their contents. I.e. the blocks described by the I/O are
>>> locked down to prevent ENOSPC for future writes.
>> Thanks for that detail! Sounds like ANCHOR in this case exposes
>> whatever data is there (similar I suppose to normal block device
>> behavior without discard for unused space)? Seems like it would be
>> useful for virtually provisioned devices (enterprise arrays or
>> something like dm-thin targets) more than normal SSD's?
> It is typically used to pin down important areas to ensure one doesn't
> get ENOSPC when writing journal or metadata. However, these are
> typically the areas that we deliberately zero to ensure predictable
> results. So I think the only case where anchoring makes much sense is on
> devices that do zero detection and thus wouldn't actually provision N
> blocks full of zeroes.

This behavior at the block layer might also be interesting for something 
like the VDO device (compression/dedup make it near impossible to 
predict how much space is really there since it is content specific). 
Might be useful as a way to hint to VDO about how to give users a 
promise of "at least this much" space? If the content is good for 
compression or dedup, you would get more, but never see less.

Ric



  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-08 18:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-06 20:56 Testing devices for discard support properly Ric Wheeler
2019-05-07  7:10 ` Lukas Czerner
2019-05-07  8:48   ` Jan Tulak
2019-05-07  9:40     ` Lukas Czerner
2019-05-07 12:57       ` Ric Wheeler
2019-05-07 15:35         ` Bryan Gurney
2019-05-07 15:44           ` Ric Wheeler
2019-05-07 20:09             ` Bryan Gurney
2019-05-07 21:24               ` Chris Mason
2019-06-03 20:01                 ` Ric Wheeler
2019-05-07  8:21 ` Nikolay Borisov
2019-05-07 22:04 ` Dave Chinner
2019-05-08  0:07   ` Ric Wheeler
2019-05-08  1:14     ` Dave Chinner
2019-05-08 15:05       ` Ric Wheeler
2019-05-08 17:03         ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-05-08 17:09           ` Ric Wheeler
2019-05-08 17:25             ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-05-08 18:12               ` Ric Wheeler [this message]
2019-05-09 16:02                 ` Bryan Gurney
2019-05-09 17:27                   ` Ric Wheeler
2019-05-09 20:35                     ` Bryan Gurney
2019-05-08 21:58             ` Dave Chinner
2019-05-09  2:29               ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-05-09  3:20                 ` Dave Chinner
2019-05-09  4:35                   ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-05-08 16:16   ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-05-08 22:31     ` Dave Chinner
2019-05-09  3:55       ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-05-09 13:40         ` Ric Wheeler

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