From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
To: Olaf van der Spek <olafvdspek@gmail.com>
Cc: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, "Ted Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Atomic non-durable file write API
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 03:52:03 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTin2dLhnWcxvBv4DuMVvNoykg2NEJwTiPc0BLrP+@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimNK0ku5tBrA0DbSrNZe1jO6LcOobVVMOW2Kmxa@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 2:23 AM, Olaf van der Spek <olafvdspek@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Whether or not the new data is durable is entirely up to the
>> programmer to decide.
>
> Right
>
>> Perhaps all that is missing is an fdatawait(fd) API or fdatawait_async(fd) API,
>> which should be very simple to implement (right?).
>>
>> So an editor that doesn't want to be too pushy, will just save a temp file,
>> wait for it to sync on the system's free time and then swap the data with
>> the original file in an atomic manner, which preserves metadata.
>>
>> If the system takes too long to sync, the editor can always issue
>> fdatasync(fd) when it is tired of waiting.
>>
>> Will that make you happy, Olaf?
>> If you are not happy from the new copy not being available to all
>> system users until
>> fdatasync is done, then we will call it "atomic, isolated non-durable
>> file write API", OK?
>
> No. Take the compiler case. Ideally you'd like file data updates to be
> atomic, but waiting until an update hits disk before it's visible to
> other processes is unacceptable.
How about sending output to an intermediate name, then before it is
used in the next stage of the processor output, fsync+rename to the
expected name? make clean would delete any intermediate names.
prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-12-26 16:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2010-12-09 12:03 ` Atomic non-durable file write API Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-16 12:22 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-16 20:11 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-12-18 22:15 ` Calvin Walton
2010-12-19 16:39 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-23 15:49 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-23 21:51 ` Neil Brown
2010-12-23 22:22 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-12-24 0:30 ` Christian Stroetmann
2010-12-24 0:48 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-12-24 1:00 ` Christian Stroetmann
2010-12-24 9:51 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-12-24 11:14 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-24 11:25 ` Christian Stroetmann
2010-12-25 3:15 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-12-25 10:41 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-25 11:33 ` Nick Piggin
2010-12-25 15:24 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-25 17:25 ` Nick Piggin
2010-12-26 15:08 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-26 15:55 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-12-26 16:02 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-26 16:27 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-12-26 18:26 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-26 16:43 ` Nick Piggin
2010-12-26 18:51 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-26 22:10 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-12-27 0:30 ` Christian Stroetmann
2010-12-27 1:04 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-12-27 1:30 ` Christian Stroetmann
2010-12-27 2:53 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-12-27 10:21 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-27 11:07 ` Marco Stornelli
2010-12-27 15:30 ` Christian Stroetmann
2010-12-27 19:07 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-27 19:30 ` Christian Stroetmann
2010-12-28 17:22 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-28 20:59 ` Neil Brown
2010-12-28 22:00 ` Greg Freemyer
2010-12-28 22:06 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-28 22:15 ` Greg Freemyer
2010-12-28 22:28 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-28 22:35 ` Neil Brown
2010-12-29 11:05 ` Dave Chinner
2010-12-28 22:10 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-28 22:31 ` Neil Brown
2010-12-28 22:54 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-28 23:42 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-12-29 9:09 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-29 15:30 ` Christian Stroetmann
2010-12-29 15:41 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-29 16:30 ` Christian Stroetmann
2010-12-29 17:14 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-30 0:50 ` Neil Brown
2011-01-07 14:23 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-27 4:12 ` Nick Piggin
2010-12-27 11:48 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-27 12:43 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-28 0:45 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-12-24 11:21 ` Christian Stroetmann
2010-12-24 11:17 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-24 11:29 ` Christian Stroetmann
2010-12-24 11:30 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-25 21:40 ` Neil Brown
2010-12-23 22:43 ` Dave Chinner
2010-12-23 22:47 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-12-26 9:59 ` Amir Goldstein
2010-12-26 15:23 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-26 16:52 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
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