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From: Fuad Tabba <tabba@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 00/51] 1G page support for guest_memfd
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2025 19:37:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+EHjTzQwt4Xux7AtB_eiuerKXeCmann2PFBoJTDZ8+qvFuX+w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aG1UenipkaGyVUz-@google.com>

On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 at 18:25, Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2025, Fuad Tabba wrote:
> > > > I don't think we need a flag to preserve memory as I mentioned in [2]. IIUC,
> > > > 1) Conversions are always content-preserving for pKVM.
> > >
> > > No?  Perserving contents on private => shared is a security vulnerability waiting
> > > to happen.
> >
> > Actually it is one of the requirements for pKVM as well as its current
> > behavior. We would like to preserve contents both ways, private <=>
> > shared, since it is required by some of the potential use cases (e.g.,
> > guest handling video encoding/decoding).
> >
> > To make it clear, I'm talking about explicit sharing from the guest,
> > not relinquishing memory back to the host. In the case of
> > relinquishing (and guest teardown), relinquished memory is poisoned
> > (zeroed) in pKVM.
>
> I forget, what's the "explicit sharing" flow look like?  E.g. how/when does pKVM
> know it's ok to convert memory from private to shared?  I think we'd still want
> to make data preservation optional, e.g. to avoid potential leakage with setups
> where memory is private by default, but a flag in KVM's uAPI might not be a good
> fit since whether or not to preserve data is more of a guest decision (or at least
> needs to be ok'd by the guest).

In pKVM all sharing and unsharing is triggered by the guest via
hypercalls. The host cannot unshare. That said, making data
preservation optional works for pKVM and is a good idea, for the
reasons that you've mentioned.

Cheers,
/fuad

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-08 18:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 231+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-14 23:41 [RFC PATCH v2 00/51] 1G page support for guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Make guest mem use guest mem inodes instead of anonymous inodes Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Introduce and use shareability to guard faulting Ackerley Tng
2025-05-27  3:54   ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-29 18:20     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-30  8:53     ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-30 18:32       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-02  9:43         ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-27  8:25   ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-27  8:43     ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-29 18:26     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-29 20:37       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-29  5:42   ` Michael Roth
2025-06-11 21:51     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-02 23:25       ` Michael Roth
2025-07-03  0:46         ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-03  0:52           ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-03  4:12           ` Michael Roth
2025-07-03  5:10             ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-03 20:39               ` Michael Roth
2025-07-07 14:55                 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-12  0:10                   ` Michael Roth
2025-07-12 17:53                     ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-08-12  8:23             ` Fuad Tabba
2025-08-13 17:11               ` Ira Weiny
2025-06-11 22:10     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-08-01  0:01   ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-14 21:35     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/51] KVM: selftests: Update guest_memfd_test for INIT_PRIVATE flag Ackerley Tng
2025-05-15 13:49   ` Ira Weiny
2025-05-16 17:42     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-16 19:31       ` Ira Weiny
2025-05-27  8:53       ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-30 19:59         ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Introduce KVM_GMEM_CONVERT_SHARED/PRIVATE ioctls Ackerley Tng
2025-05-15 14:50   ` Ira Weiny
2025-05-16 17:53     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-20  9:22   ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-20 13:02     ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-20 13:44       ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-20 14:11         ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-20 14:33           ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-20 16:02             ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-20 18:05               ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-20 19:40                 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-21 12:36                   ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-21 14:42                     ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-21 15:21                       ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-21 15:51                         ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-21 18:27                           ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-22 14:52                             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-22 15:07                               ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-22 16:26                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-23 10:12                                   ` Fuad Tabba
2025-06-24  8:23           ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-06-24 13:08             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-24 14:10               ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-27  4:49                 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-06-27 15:17                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-30  0:19                     ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-06-30 14:19                       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-10  6:57                         ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-07-10 17:58                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-02  8:35                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 13:54                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-02 14:13                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-02 14:32                       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-10 10:50                         ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-10 17:54                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-11  4:31                             ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-11  9:33                               ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-16 22:22                   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-17  9:32                     ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-17 16:56                       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-18  2:48                         ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-18 14:15                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-21 14:18                             ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-18 15:13                           ` Ira Weiny
2025-07-21  9:58                             ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-22 18:17                               ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-22 19:25                                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-28  3:16   ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-30 20:10     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-03  0:54       ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Skip LRU for guest_memfd folios Ackerley Tng
2025-05-28  7:01   ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-30 20:32     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/51] KVM: Query guest_memfd for private/shared status Ackerley Tng
2025-05-27  3:55   ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-28  8:08     ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-28  9:55       ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Add CAP KVM_CAP_GMEM_CONVERSION Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/51] KVM: selftests: Test flag validity after guest_memfd supports conversions Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/51] KVM: selftests: Test faulting with respect to GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_INIT_PRIVATE Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/51] KVM: selftests: Refactor vm_mem_add to be more flexible Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/51] KVM: selftests: Allow cleanup of ucall_pool from host Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/51] KVM: selftests: Test conversion flows for guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/51] KVM: selftests: Add script to exercise private_mem_conversions_test Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 14/51] KVM: selftests: Update private_mem_conversions_test to mmap guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 15/51] KVM: selftests: Update script to map shared memory from guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 16/51] mm: hugetlb: Consolidate interpretation of gbl_chg within alloc_hugetlb_folio() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-15  2:09   ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-05-28  8:55   ` Binbin Wu
2025-07-07 18:27   ` James Houghton
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 17/51] mm: hugetlb: Cleanup interpretation of gbl_chg in alloc_hugetlb_folio() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 18/51] mm: hugetlb: Cleanup interpretation of map_chg_state within alloc_hugetlb_folio() Ackerley Tng
2025-07-07 18:08   ` James Houghton
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 19/51] mm: hugetlb: Rename alloc_surplus_hugetlb_folio Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 20/51] mm: mempolicy: Refactor out policy_node_nodemask() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 21/51] mm: hugetlb: Inline huge_node() into callers Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 22/51] mm: hugetlb: Refactor hugetlb allocation functions Ackerley Tng
2025-05-31 23:45   ` Ira Weiny
2025-06-13 22:03     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 23/51] mm: hugetlb: Refactor out hugetlb_alloc_folio() Ackerley Tng
2025-06-01  0:38   ` Ira Weiny
2025-06-13 22:07     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 24/51] mm: hugetlb: Add option to create new subpool without using surplus Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 25/51] mm: truncate: Expose preparation steps for truncate_inode_pages_final Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 26/51] mm: Consolidate freeing of typed folios on final folio_put() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 27/51] mm: hugetlb: Expose hugetlb_subpool_{get,put}_pages() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 28/51] mm: Introduce guestmem_hugetlb to support folio_put() handling of guestmem pages Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 29/51] mm: guestmem_hugetlb: Wrap HugeTLB as an allocator for guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-05-16 14:07   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-16 20:33     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 30/51] mm: truncate: Expose truncate_inode_folio() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 31/51] KVM: x86: Set disallow_lpage on base_gfn and guest_memfd pgoff misalignment Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 32/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Support guestmem_hugetlb as custom allocator Ackerley Tng
2025-05-23 10:47   ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-12  9:13   ` Tony Lindgren
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 33/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Allocate and truncate from " Ackerley Tng
2025-05-21 18:05   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-22 23:12   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-28 10:58   ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-03  7:43   ` Binbin Wu
2025-07-16 22:13     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 34/51] mm: hugetlb: Add functions to add/delete folio from hugetlb lists Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 35/51] mm: guestmem_hugetlb: Add support for splitting and merging pages Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 36/51] mm: Convert split_folio() macro to function Ackerley Tng
2025-05-21 16:40   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 37/51] filemap: Pass address_space mapping to ->free_folio() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 38/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Split allocator pages for guest_memfd use Ackerley Tng
2025-05-22 22:19   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-05 17:15     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-05 17:53       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-05 17:15     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-05 17:16     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-05 17:16     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-05 17:16     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-27  4:30   ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-27  4:38     ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-05 17:50     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-27  8:45   ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-05 19:10     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-16 11:15       ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-05  5:24   ` Binbin Wu
2025-06-05 19:16     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 39/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Merge and truncate on fallocate(PUNCH_HOLE) Ackerley Tng
2025-05-28 11:00   ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-28 16:39     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-29  3:26       ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 40/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Update kvm_gmem_mapping_order to account for page status Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 41/51] KVM: Add CAP to indicate support for HugeTLB as custom allocator Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 42/51] KVM: selftests: Add basic selftests for hugetlb-backed guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 43/51] KVM: selftests: Update conversion flows test for HugeTLB Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 44/51] KVM: selftests: Test truncation paths of guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 45/51] KVM: selftests: Test allocation and conversion of subfolios Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 46/51] KVM: selftests: Test that guest_memfd usage is reported via hugetlb Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 47/51] KVM: selftests: Support various types of backing sources for private memory Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 48/51] KVM: selftests: Update test for various private memory backing source types Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 49/51] KVM: selftests: Update private_mem_conversions_test.sh to test with HugeTLB pages Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 50/51] KVM: selftests: Add script to test HugeTLB statistics Ackerley Tng
2025-05-15 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/51] 1G page support for guest_memfd Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-15 18:42   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-15 23:35     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  0:57       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-16  2:12         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 13:11           ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-16 16:45             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 17:51               ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-16 19:14                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 20:25                   ` Dave Hansen
2025-05-16 21:42                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 17:45             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-16 13:09         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-16 17:04           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16  0:22 ` [RFC PATCH v2 51/51] KVM: selftests: Test guest_memfd for accuracy of st_blocks Ackerley Tng
2025-05-16 19:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/51] 1G page support for guest_memfd Ira Weiny
2025-05-16 19:59   ` Ira Weiny
2025-05-16 20:26     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-16 22:43 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-19  8:13 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-19  8:59   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-06-19  9:18     ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-06-19  9:28       ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-19  9:45         ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-06-19  9:49           ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-06-29 18:28     ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-30  3:14       ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-30 14:14         ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-01  5:23           ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01 19:48             ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-07 23:25               ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-08  0:14                 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08  1:08                   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 14:20                     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-08 14:52                       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 15:07                         ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08 15:31                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 17:16                             ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08 17:39                               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 18:03                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-08 18:13                                   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 18:55                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-08 21:23                                       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-09 14:28                                       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-09 15:00                                         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-10  1:30                                           ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-10 23:33                                             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-11 21:18                                             ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-12 17:33                                               ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-09 15:17                                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-10  3:39                                           ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08 19:28                                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08 19:58                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-08 22:54                                       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08 15:38                           ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-08 16:22                             ` Fuad Tabba
2025-07-08 17:25                               ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-08 18:37                                 ` Fuad Tabba [this message]
2025-07-16 23:06                                   ` Ackerley Tng
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