From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@gmail.com>
To: Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>
Cc: lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Do not pin pages for various direct-io scheme
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 20:19:54 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA9_cmfDKan60EnXCptAu9U6XgQgr5-MKfrENDNOSZYmQY9iRA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200122023100.75226-1-jglisse@redhat.com>
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 6:34 PM <jglisse@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> From: Jérôme Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>
>
> Direct I/O does pin memory through GUP (get user page) this does
> block several mm activities like:
> - compaction
> - numa
> - migration
> ...
>
> It is also troublesome if the pinned pages are actualy file back
> pages that migth go under writeback. In which case the page can
> not be write protected from direct-io point of view (see various
> discussion about recent work on GUP [1]). This does happens for
> instance if the virtual memory address use as buffer for read
> operation is the outcome of an mmap of a regular file.
>
>
> With direct-io or aio (asynchronous io) pages are pinned until
> syscall completion (which depends on many factors: io size,
> block device speed, ...). For io-uring pages can be pinned an
> indifinite amount of time.
>
>
> So i would like to convert direct io code (direct-io, aio and
> io-uring) to obey mmu notifier and thus allow memory management
> and writeback to work and behave like any other process memory.
>
> For direct-io and aio this mostly gives a way to wait on syscall
> completion. For io-uring this means that buffer might need to be
> re-validated (ie looking up pages again to get the new set of
> pages for the buffer). Impact for io-uring is the delay needed
> to lookup new pages or wait on writeback (if necessary). This
> would only happens _if_ an invalidation event happens, which it-
> self should only happen under memory preissure or for NUMA
> activities.
This seems to assume that memory pressure and NUMA migration are rare
events. Some of the proposed hierarchical memory management schemes
[1] might impact that assumption.
[1]: http://lore.kernel.org/r/20191101075727.26683-1-ying.huang@intel.com/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-01-22 4:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-01-22 2:31 [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Do not pin pages for various direct-io scheme jglisse
2020-01-22 3:54 ` Jens Axboe
2020-01-22 4:57 ` Jerome Glisse
2020-01-22 11:59 ` Michal Hocko
2020-01-22 15:12 ` Jens Axboe
2020-01-22 16:54 ` Jerome Glisse
2020-01-22 17:04 ` Jens Axboe
2020-01-22 17:28 ` Jerome Glisse
2020-01-22 17:38 ` Jens Axboe
2020-01-22 17:40 ` Jerome Glisse
2020-01-22 17:49 ` Jens Axboe
2020-01-27 19:01 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-01-22 4:19 ` Dan Williams [this message]
2020-01-22 5:00 ` Jerome Glisse
2020-01-22 15:56 ` [Lsf-pc] " Dan Williams
2020-01-22 17:02 ` Jerome Glisse
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