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From: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
To: Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,  bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
	Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	 Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	 Linux-Fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	 LSM List <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	Kernel Team <kernel-team@meta.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next 03/29] bpf: introduce BPF token object
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2024 14:27:43 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAADnVQ+QP_ZfY6gqEUtW2mYgO5usX+cK9w+X5kaRt1ovf-q1Cw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEf4Bzab84niHTdyAEkMKncNK2kXBPc7dUNpYHuXxubSM-2D4Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 2:06 PM Andrii Nakryiko
<andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 12:26 PM Linus Torvalds
> <torvalds@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> >
> > I'm still looking through the patches, but in the early parts I do
> > note this oddity:
> >
> > On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 at 14:21, Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > +struct bpf_token {
> > > +       struct work_struct work;
> > > +       atomic64_t refcnt;
> > > +       struct user_namespace *userns;
> > > +       u64 allowed_cmds;
> > > +};
> >
> > Ok, not huge, and makes sense, although I wonder if that
> >
> >         atomic64_t refcnt;
> >
> > should just be 'atomic_long_t' since presumably on 32-bit
> > architectures you can't create enough references for a 64-bit atomic
> > to make much sense.
> >
> > Or are there references to tokens that might not use any memory?
> >
> > Not a big deal, but 'atomic64_t' is very expensive on 32-bit
> > architectures, and doesn't seem to make much sense unless you really
> > specifically need 64 bits for some reason.
>
> I used atomic64_t for consistency with other BPF objects (program,
> etc) and not to have to worry even about hypothetical overflows.
> 32-bit atomic performance doesn't seem to be a big concern as a token
> is passed into a pretty heavy-weight operations that create new BPF
> object (map, program, BTF object), no matter how slow refcounting is
> it will be lost in the noise for those operations.

To add a bit more context here...

Back in 2016 Jann managed to overflow 32-bit prog/map counters:
"
On a system with >32Gbyte of physical memory,
the malicious application may overflow 32-bit bpf program refcnt.
It's also possible to overflow map refcnt on 1Tb system.
"
We mitigated that with fixed limits:
-       atomic_inc(&map->refcnt);
+       if (atomic_inc_return(&map->refcnt) > BPF_MAX_REFCNT) {
+               atomic_dec(&map->refcnt);
+               return ERR_PTR(-EBUSY);
+       }
but it created quite a lot of error handling pain throughout
the code, so eventually in 2019 we switched to atomic64_t refcnt
and never looked back.
I suspect Jann will be able to overflow 32-bit token refcnt,
so atomic64 was chosen for simplicity.
atomic_long_t might work too, but the effort to think it through
is not worth it at this point, since performance of
inc/dec doesn't matter here.

Eventually we can do a follow up and consistently update
all such counters to atomic_long_t.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-05 22:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-03 22:20 [PATCH bpf-next 00/29] BPF token Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 01/29] bpf: align CAP_NET_ADMIN checks with bpf_capable() approach Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 02/29] bpf: add BPF token delegation mount options to BPF FS Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 03/29] bpf: introduce BPF token object Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-05 20:25   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-01-05 20:32     ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-05 20:45       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-01-05 22:06         ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-05 22:05     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-05 22:27       ` Alexei Starovoitov [this message]
2024-01-05 21:45   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-01-05 22:18     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-08 12:02       ` Christian Brauner
2024-01-08 23:58         ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-09 14:52           ` Christian Brauner
2024-01-09 19:00             ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-10 14:59               ` Christian Brauner
2024-01-11  0:42                 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-11 10:38                   ` Christian Brauner
2024-01-11 17:41                     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-12  7:58                       ` Christian Brauner
2024-01-12 18:32                         ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-12 19:16                           ` Christian Brauner
2024-01-14  2:29                             ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-16 16:37                               ` Christian Brauner
2024-01-08 12:01     ` Christian Brauner
2024-01-08 16:45     ` Paul Moore
2024-01-09  0:07       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-10 19:29         ` Paul Moore
2024-01-08 11:44   ` Christian Brauner
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 04/29] bpf: add BPF token support to BPF_MAP_CREATE command Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 05/29] bpf: add BPF token support to BPF_BTF_LOAD command Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 06/29] bpf: add BPF token support to BPF_PROG_LOAD command Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 07/29] bpf: take into account BPF token when fetching helper protos Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 08/29] bpf: consistently use BPF token throughout BPF verifier logic Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 09/29] bpf,lsm: refactor bpf_prog_alloc/bpf_prog_free LSM hooks Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 10/29] bpf,lsm: refactor bpf_map_alloc/bpf_map_free " Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 11/29] bpf,lsm: add BPF token " Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 12/29] libbpf: add bpf_token_create() API Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 13/29] libbpf: add BPF token support to bpf_map_create() API Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-04 19:04   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-01-04 19:23     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 14/29] libbpf: add BPF token support to bpf_btf_load() API Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 15/29] libbpf: add BPF token support to bpf_prog_load() API Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 16/29] selftests/bpf: add BPF token-enabled tests Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 17/29] bpf,selinux: allocate bpf_security_struct per BPF token Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 18/29] bpf: fail BPF_TOKEN_CREATE if no delegation option was set on BPF FS Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 19/29] bpf: support symbolic BPF FS delegation mount options Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 20/29] selftests/bpf: utilize string values for delegate_xxx " Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 21/29] libbpf: split feature detectors definitions from cached results Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 22/29] libbpf: further decouple feature checking logic from bpf_object Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 23/29] libbpf: move feature detection code into its own file Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 24/29] libbpf: wire up token_fd into feature probing logic Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 25/29] libbpf: wire up BPF token support at BPF object level Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 26/29] selftests/bpf: add BPF object loading tests with explicit token passing Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 27/29] selftests/bpf: add tests for BPF object load with implicit token Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 28/29] libbpf: support BPF token path setting through LIBBPF_BPF_TOKEN_PATH envvar Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 22:20 ` [PATCH bpf-next 29/29] selftests/bpf: add tests for " Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-03 23:49 ` [PATCH bpf-next 00/29] BPF token Jakub Kicinski

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