From: Jiaqi Yan <jiaqiyan@google.com>
To: Miaohe Lin <linmiaohe@huawei.com>
Cc: nao.horiguchi@gmail.com, tony.luck@intel.com,
wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com, willy@infradead.org,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, osalvador@suse.de,
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dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, muchun.song@linux.dev,
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harry.yoo@oracle.com, jane.chu@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/3] mm: memfd/hugetlb: introduce memfd-based userspace MFR policy
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2026 15:04:10 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACw3F52K3TTjtmaEsWLcei_ThKwHyn8xj=_4-vpiZhd-ciFU2A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6b304954-f3d1-5581-5937-1464caf85ab1@huawei.com>
On Mon, Mar 9, 2026 at 7:21 PM Miaohe Lin <linmiaohe@huawei.com> wrote:
>
> On 2026/3/9 23:47, Jiaqi Yan wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 9, 2026 at 12:41 AM Miaohe Lin <linmiaohe@huawei.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2026/3/9 12:53, Jiaqi Yan wrote:
> >>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2026 at 11:30 PM Miaohe Lin <linmiaohe@huawei.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2026/2/13 13:01, Jiaqi Yan wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2026 at 11:31 PM Miaohe Lin <linmiaohe@huawei.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2026/2/10 12:47, Jiaqi Yan wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2026 at 3:54 AM Miaohe Lin <linmiaohe@huawei.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 2026/2/4 3:23, Jiaqi Yan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Sometimes immediately hard offlining a large chunk of contigous memory
> >>>>>>>>> having uncorrected memory errors (UE) may not be the best option.
> >>>>>>>>> Cloud providers usually serve capacity- and performance-critical guest
> >>>>>>>>> memory with 1G HugeTLB hugepages, as this significantly reduces the
> >>>>>>>>> overhead associated with managing page tables and TLB misses. However,
> >>>>>>>>> for today's HugeTLB system, once a byte of memory in a hugepage is
> >>>>>>>>> hardware corrupted, the kernel discards the whole hugepage, including
> >>>>>>>>> the healthy portion. Customer workload running in the VM can hardly
> >>>>>>>>> recover from such a great loss of memory.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks for your patch. Some questions below.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Therefore keeping or discarding a large chunk of contiguous memory
> >>>>>>>>> owned by userspace (particularly to serve guest memory) due to
> >>>>>>>>> recoverable UE may better be controlled by userspace process
> >>>>>>>>> that owns the memory, e.g. VMM in the Cloud environment.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Introduce a memfd-based userspace memory failure (MFR) policy,
> >>>>>>>>> MFD_MF_KEEP_UE_MAPPED. It is possible to support for other memfd,
> >>>>>>>>> but the current implementation only covers HugeTLB.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> For a hugepage associated with MFD_MF_KEEP_UE_MAPPED enabled memfd,
> >>>>>>>>> whenever it runs into a new UE,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> * MFR defers hard offline operations, i.e., unmapping and
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So the folio can't be unpoisoned until hugetlb folio becomes free?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Are you asking from testing perspective, are we still able to clean up
> >>>>>>> injected test errors via unpoison_memory() with MFD_MF_KEEP_UE_MAPPED?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If so, unpoison_memory() can't turn the HWPoison hugetlb page to
> >>>>>>> normal hugetlb page as MFD_MF_KEEP_UE_MAPPED automatically dissolves
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We might loss some testability but that should be an acceptable compromise.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To clarify, looking at unpoison_memory(), it seems unpoison should
> >>>>> still work if called before truncated or memfd closed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What I wanted to say is, for my test hugetlb-mfr.c, since I really
> >>>>> want to test the cleanup code (dissolving free hugepage having
> >>>>> multiple errors) after truncation or memfd closed, so we can only
> >>>>> unpoison the raw pages rejected by buddy allocator.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> it. unpoison_memory(pfn) can probably still turn the HWPoison raw page
> >>>>>>> back to a normal one, but you already lost the hugetlb page.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> dissolving. MFR still sets HWPoison flag, holds a refcount
> >>>>>>>>> for every raw HWPoison page, record them in a list, sends SIGBUS
> >>>>>>>>> to the consuming thread, but si_addr_lsb is reduced to PAGE_SHIFT.
> >>>>>>>>> If userspace is able to handle the SIGBUS, the HWPoison hugepage
> >>>>>>>>> remains accessible via the mapping created with that memfd.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> * If the memory was not faulted in yet, the fault handler also
> >>>>>>>>> allows fault in the HWPoison folio.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> For a MFD_MF_KEEP_UE_MAPPED enabled memfd, when it is closed, or
> >>>>>>>>> when userspace process truncates its hugepages:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> * When the HugeTLB in-memory file system removes the filemap's
> >>>>>>>>> folios one by one, it asks MFR to deal with HWPoison folios
> >>>>>>>>> on the fly, implemented by filemap_offline_hwpoison_folio().
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> * MFR drops the refcounts being held for the raw HWPoison
> >>>>>>>>> pages within the folio. Now that the HWPoison folio becomes
> >>>>>>>>> free, MFR dissolves it into a set of raw pages. The healthy pages
> >>>>>>>>> are recycled into buddy allocator, while the HWPoison ones are
> >>>>>>>>> prevented from re-allocation.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> +static void filemap_offline_hwpoison_folio_hugetlb(struct folio *folio)
> >>>>>>>>> +{
> >>>>>>>>> + int ret;
> >>>>>>>>> + struct llist_node *head;
> >>>>>>>>> + struct raw_hwp_page *curr, *next;
> >>>>>>>>> +
> >>>>>>>>> + /*
> >>>>>>>>> + * Since folio is still in the folio_batch, drop the refcount
> >>>>>>>>> + * elevated by filemap_get_folios.
> >>>>>>>>> + */
> >>>>>>>>> + folio_put_refs(folio, 1);
> >>>>>>>>> + head = llist_del_all(raw_hwp_list_head(folio));
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> We might race with get_huge_page_for_hwpoison()? llist_add() might be called
> >>>>>>>> by folio_set_hugetlb_hwpoison() just after llist_del_all()?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Oh, when there is a new UE while we releasing the folio here, right?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Right.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In that case, would mutex_lock(&mf_mutex) eliminate potential race?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> IMO spin_lock_irq(&hugetlb_lock) might be better.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Looks like I don't need any lock given the correction below.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> +
> >>>>>>>>> + /*
> >>>>>>>>> + * Release refcounts held by try_memory_failure_hugetlb, one per
> >>>>>>>>> + * HWPoison-ed page in the raw hwp list.
> >>>>>>>>> + *
> >>>>>>>>> + * Set HWPoison flag on each page so that free_has_hwpoisoned()
> >>>>>>>>> + * can exclude them during dissolve_free_hugetlb_folio().
> >>>>>>>>> + */
> >>>>>>>>> + llist_for_each_entry_safe(curr, next, head, node) {
> >>>>>>>>> + folio_put(folio);
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The hugetlb folio refcnt will only be increased once even if it contains multiple UE sub-pages.
> >>>>>>>> See __get_huge_page_for_hwpoison() for details. So folio_put() might be called more times than
> >>>>>>>> folio_try_get() in __get_huge_page_for_hwpoison().
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The changes in folio_set_hugetlb_hwpoison() should make
> >>>>>>> __get_huge_page_for_hwpoison() not to take the "out" path which
> >>>>>>> decrease the increased refcount for folio. IOW, every time a new UE
> >>>>>>> happens, we handle the hugetlb page as if it is an in-use hugetlb
> >>>>>>> page.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> See below code snippet (comment [1] and [2]):
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> int __get_huge_page_for_hwpoison(unsigned long pfn, int flags,
> >>>>>> bool *migratable_cleared)
> >>>>>> {
> >>>>>> struct page *page = pfn_to_page(pfn);
> >>>>>> struct folio *folio = page_folio(page);
> >>>>>> int ret = 2; /* fallback to normal page handling */
> >>>>>> bool count_increased = false;
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> if (!folio_test_hugetlb(folio))
> >>>>>> goto out;
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> if (flags & MF_COUNT_INCREASED) {
> >>>>>> ret = 1;
> >>>>>> count_increased = true;
> >>>>>> } else if (folio_test_hugetlb_freed(folio)) {
> >>>>>> ret = 0;
> >>>>>> } else if (folio_test_hugetlb_migratable(folio)) {
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ^^^^*hugetlb_migratable is checked before trying to get folio refcnt* [1]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ret = folio_try_get(folio);
> >>>>>> if (ret)
> >>>>>> count_increased = true;
> >>>>>> } else {
> >>>>>> ret = -EBUSY;
> >>>>>> if (!(flags & MF_NO_RETRY))
> >>>>>> goto out;
> >>>>>> }
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> if (folio_set_hugetlb_hwpoison(folio, page)) {
> >>>>>> ret = -EHWPOISON;
> >>>>>> goto out;
> >>>>>> }
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> /*
> >>>>>> * Clearing hugetlb_migratable for hwpoisoned hugepages to prevent them
> >>>>>> * from being migrated by memory hotremove.
> >>>>>> */
> >>>>>> if (count_increased && folio_test_hugetlb_migratable(folio)) {
> >>>>>> folio_clear_hugetlb_migratable(folio);
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ^^^^^*hugetlb_migratable is cleared when first time seeing folio* [2]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> *migratable_cleared = true;
> >>>>>> }
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Or am I miss something?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for your explaination! You are absolutely right. It turns out
> >>>>> the extra refcount I saw (during running hugetlb-mfr.c) on the folio
> >>>>> at the moment of filemap_offline_hwpoison_folio_hugetlb() is actually
> >>>>> because of the MF_COUNT_INCREASED during MADV_HWPOISON. In the past I
> >>>>> used to think that is the effect of folio_try_get() in
> >>>>> __get_huge_page_for_hwpoison(), and it is wrong. Now I see two cases:
> >>>>> - MADV_HWPOISON: instead of __get_huge_page_for_hwpoison(),
> >>>>> madvise_inject_error() is the one that increments hugepage refcount
> >>>>> for every error injected. Different from other cases,
> >>>>> MFD_MF_KEEP_UE_MAPPED makes the hugepage still a in-use page after
> >>>>> memory_failure(MF_COUNT_INCREASED), so I think madvise_inject_error()
> >>>>> should decrement in MFD_MF_KEEP_UE_MAPPED case.
> >>>>> - In the real world: as you pointed out, MF always just increments
> >>>>> hugepage refcount once in __get_huge_page_for_hwpoison(), even if it
> >>>>> runs into multiple errors. When
> >>>>
> >>>> This might not always hold true. When MF occurs while hugetlb folio is under isolation(hugetlb_migratable is
> >>>> cleared and extra folio refcnt is held by isolating code in that case), __get_huge_page_for_hwpoison won't get
> >>>> extra folio refcnt.
> >>>>
> >>>>> filemap_offline_hwpoison_folio_hugetlb() drops the refcount elevated
> >>>>> by filemap_get_folios(), it only needs to decrement again if
> >>>>> folio_ref_dec_and_test() returns false. I tested something like below:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> /* drop the refcount elevated by filemap_get_folios. */
> >>>>> folio_put(folio);
> >>>>> if (folio_ref_count(folio))
> >>>>> folio_put(folio);
> >>>>> /* now refcount should be zero. */
> >>>>> ret = dissolve_free_hugetlb_folio(folio);
> >>>>
> >>>> So I think above code might drop the folio refcnt held by isolating code.
> >>>
> >>> Hi Miaohe, thanks for raising the concern. Given two things below
> >>> - both folio_isolate_hugetlb() and get_huge_page_for_hwpoison() are
> >>> guarded by hugetlb_lock.
> >>> - hugetlb_update_hwpoison() only folio_test_set_hwpoison() for
> >>> non-isolated folio after folio_try_get() succeeds.
> >>>
> >>> as long as folio_test_set_hwpoison() is true here, this refcount
> >>> should never come from folio_isolate_hugetlb(). What do you think?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Let's think about below scenario. When __get_huge_page_for_hwpoison() encounters an
> >> isolated hugetlb folio:
> >>
> >> int __get_huge_page_for_hwpoison(unsigned long pfn, int flags,
> >> bool *migratable_cleared)
> >> {
> >> struct page *page = pfn_to_page(pfn);
> >> struct folio *folio = page_folio(page);
> >> bool count_increased = false;
> >> int ret, rc;
> >>
> >> if (!folio_test_hugetlb(folio)) {
> >> ret = MF_HUGETLB_NON_HUGEPAGE;
> >> goto out;
> >> } else if (flags & MF_COUNT_INCREASED) {
> >> ret = MF_HUGETLB_IN_USED;
> >> count_increased = true;
> >> } else if (folio_test_hugetlb_freed(folio)) {
> >> ret = MF_HUGETLB_FREED;
> >> } else if (folio_test_hugetlb_migratable(folio)) {
> >>
> >> ^^^^*Since hugetlb_migratable is cleared for the isolated hugetlb folio*
> >>
> >> if (folio_try_get(folio)) {
> >> ret = MF_HUGETLB_IN_USED;
> >> count_increased = true;
> >> } else {
> >> ret = MF_HUGETLB_FREED;
> >> }
> >> } else {
> >>
> >> ^^^^*Code will reach here without extra refcnt increased*
> >>
> >> ret = MF_HUGETLB_RETRY;
> >> if (!(flags & MF_NO_RETRY))
> >> goto out;
> >> }
> >>
> >> *Code will reach here after retry*
> >
> > You are right, thanks for pointing that out. Let me think about more
> > how to handle this.
I was struggling to find a good fix, as I really don't want to memoize
into the folio that if memory_failure has elevated a refcount.
> >
> >> rc = hugetlb_update_hwpoison(folio, page);
> >> if (rc >= MF_HUGETLB_FOLIO_PRE_POISONED) {
> >> ret = rc;
> >> goto out;
> >> }
> >>
> >> So hugetlb_update_hwpoison() will be called even for folio under isolation
> >> without folio_try_get(). Or am I miss something?
> >
> > Just a random question: if MF never increments a hugepage's refcount,
>
> MF will hold hugetlb folio's refcount unless it's freed or isolated.
A random thought. For an isolated hugetlb folio, if it becomes
hwpoison (after __get_huge_page_for_hwpoison() failed with retries),
and then `folio_putback_hugetlb()` is called, should we block setting
migratable and putting it back to hugepage_activelist? IWO, make it
forever isolated and just decrement refcount:
void folio_putback_hugetlb(struct folio *folio)
{
spin_lock_irq(&hugetlb_lock);
- folio_set_hugetlb_migratable(folio);
- list_move_tail(&folio->lru,
&(folio_hstate(folio))->hugepage_activelist);
+ if (!folio_test_hwpoison(folio)) {
+ folio_set_hugetlb_migratable(folio);
+ list_move_tail(&folio->lru,
&(folio_hstate(folio))->hugepage_activelist);
+ }
spin_unlock_irq(&hugetlb_lock);
folio_put(folio);
(Maybe the event "become hwpoison => folio_putback_hugetlb()" can never happen?)
If so, as a side effect, I can use folio_putback_hugetlb() to
decrement the refcount even if we are uncertain that the residue
refcount is whether from memory_failure or folio_isolate_hugetlb().
>
> > what does the folio_put() in me_huge_page() (when mapping = null) do?
> > Is it dropping for something other than MF?
>
> For isolated hugetlb folio, MF_HUGETLB_RETRY will be returned and code won't reach here.
> Thanks.
> .
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-03-22 22:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-03 19:23 [PATCH v3 0/3] memfd-based Userspace MFR Policy for HugeTLB Jiaqi Yan
2026-02-03 19:23 ` [PATCH v3 1/3] mm: memfd/hugetlb: introduce memfd-based userspace MFR policy Jiaqi Yan
2026-02-04 17:29 ` William Roche
2026-02-10 4:46 ` Jiaqi Yan
2026-02-09 11:54 ` Miaohe Lin
2026-02-10 4:47 ` Jiaqi Yan
2026-02-10 7:31 ` Miaohe Lin
2026-02-13 5:01 ` Jiaqi Yan
2026-02-24 7:30 ` Miaohe Lin
2026-03-09 4:53 ` Jiaqi Yan
2026-03-09 7:41 ` Miaohe Lin
2026-03-09 15:47 ` Jiaqi Yan
2026-03-10 2:21 ` Miaohe Lin
2026-03-22 22:04 ` Jiaqi Yan [this message]
2026-02-03 19:23 ` [PATCH v3 2/3] selftests/mm: test userspace MFR for HugeTLB hugepage Jiaqi Yan
2026-02-04 17:53 ` William Roche
2026-02-12 3:11 ` Jiaqi Yan
2026-02-09 12:01 ` Miaohe Lin
2026-02-12 3:17 ` Jiaqi Yan
2026-02-03 19:23 ` [PATCH v3 3/3] Documentation: add documentation for MFD_MF_KEEP_UE_MAPPED Jiaqi Yan
2026-02-04 17:56 ` William Roche
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