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From: Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	brauner@kernel.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	 josef@toxicpanda.com, kernel-team@fb.com, amir73il@gmail.com,
	 linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-unionfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 13/14] xfs: use the new ->i_state accessors
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2025 04:10:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGudoHHY2ZpSjYda94FZos8jRsaqZ_XcR7ZDDuY0AgvbnvehyQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aO7khoBHdfPlEBAE@dread.disaster.area>

On Wed, Oct 15, 2025 at 2:02 AM Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2025 at 05:40:49PM +0200, Mateusz Guzik wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 10, 2025 at 4:41 PM Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu 09-10-25 09:59:27, Mateusz Guzik wrote:
> > > > Change generated with coccinelle and fixed up by hand as appropriate.
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > > @@ -2111,7 +2111,7 @@ xfs_rename_alloc_whiteout(
> > > >        */
> > > >       xfs_setup_iops(tmpfile);
> > > >       xfs_finish_inode_setup(tmpfile);
> > > > -     VFS_I(tmpfile)->i_state |= I_LINKABLE;
> > > > +     inode_state_set_raw(VFS_I(tmpfile), I_LINKABLE);
> > > >
> > > >       *wip = tmpfile;
> > > >       return 0;
> > > > @@ -2330,7 +2330,7 @@ xfs_rename(
> > > >                * flag from the inode so it doesn't accidentally get misused in
> > > >                * future.
> > > >                */
> > > > -             VFS_I(du_wip.ip)->i_state &= ~I_LINKABLE;
> > > > +             inode_state_clear_raw(VFS_I(du_wip.ip), I_LINKABLE);
> > > >       }
> > > >
> > > >  out_commit:
> > >
> > > These two accesses look fishy (not your fault but when we are doing this
> > > i_state exercise better make sure all the places are correct before
> > > papering over bugs with _raw function variant). How come they cannot race
> > > with other i_state modifications and thus corrupt i_state?
> > >
> >
> > I asked about this here:
> > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-xfs/CAGudoHEi05JGkTQ9PbM20D98S9fv0hTqpWRd5fWjEwkExSiVSw@mail.gmail.com/
>
> Yes, as I said, we can add locking here if necessary, but locking
> isn't necessary at this point in time because nothing else can
> change the state of the newly allocated whiteout inode until we
> unlock it.
>

I don't have much of an opinion about this bit. Not as per my response
I added routines to facilitate not taking the lock (for the time being
anyway).

> Keep in mind the reason why we need I_LINKABLE here - it's not
> needed for correctness - it's needed to avoid a warning embedded
> in inc_nlink() because filesystems aren't trusted to implement
> link counts correctly anymore.

Ok, I did not know that. Maybe I'll take a stab at sorting this out.

xfs aside, for unrelated reasons I was looking at the placement of the
indicator to begin with. Seems like for basic correctness this in fact
wants the inode lock (not the spin lock) and the spin lock is only
taken to synchronize against other spots which modify i_state. Perhaps
it should move, which would also obsolete the above woes.

> Now we're being told that "it is too dangerous to let filesystems
> manage inode state themselves" and so we have to add extra overhead
> to code that we were forced to add to avoid VFS warnings added
> because the VFS doesn't trust filesystems to maintain some other
> important inode state....
>

Given that this is how XFS behaved for a long time now and that
perhaps the I_LINKABLE handling can be redone in the first place,
perhaps Jan will be willing to un-NAK this bit.

> So, if you want to get rid of XFS using I_LINKABLE here, please fix
> the nlink VFS api to allow us to call inc_nlink_<something>() on a
> zero link inode without I_LINKABLE needing to be set. We do actually
> know what we are doing here, and as such needing I_LINKABLE here is
> nothing but a hacky workaround for inflexible, trustless VFS APIs...
>
> > > > diff --git a/fs/xfs/xfs_iops.c b/fs/xfs/xfs_iops.c
> > > > index caff0125faea..ad94fbf55014 100644
> > > > --- a/fs/xfs/xfs_iops.c
> > > > +++ b/fs/xfs/xfs_iops.c
> > > > @@ -1420,7 +1420,7 @@ xfs_setup_inode(
> > > >       bool                    is_meta = xfs_is_internal_inode(ip);
> > > >
> > > >       inode->i_ino = ip->i_ino;
> > > > -     inode->i_state |= I_NEW;
> > > > +     inode_state_set_raw(inode, I_NEW);
>
> "set" is wrong and will introduce a regression. This must be an
> "add" operation as inode->i_state may have already been modified
> by the time we get here.

There were complaints about original naming and _add/_del/_set got
whacked. So now this settled on _set/_clear/_assign, per the cheat
sheet in the patch. So this does what it was supposed to.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-15  2:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-09  7:59 [PATCH v7 00/14] hide ->i_state behind accessors Mateusz Guzik
2025-10-09  7:59 ` [PATCH v7 01/14] fs: move wait_on_inode() from writeback.h to fs.h Mateusz Guzik
2025-10-10 13:47   ` Jan Kara
2025-10-09  7:59 ` [PATCH v7 02/14] fs: spell out fenced ->i_state accesses with explicit smp_wmb/smp_rmb Mateusz Guzik
2025-10-10 13:48   ` Jan Kara
2025-10-09  7:59 ` [PATCH v7 03/14] fs: provide accessors for ->i_state Mateusz Guzik
2025-10-10 13:51   ` Jan Kara
2025-10-10 14:44   ` Jan Kara
2025-10-10 15:51     ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-10-14 22:24       ` Dave Chinner
2025-10-15  5:46         ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-10-15 22:06           ` Dave Chinner
2025-10-20  9:43       ` Jan Kara
2025-10-14 21:57     ` Dave Chinner
2025-10-09  7:59 ` [PATCH v7 04/14] Coccinelle-based conversion to use ->i_state accessors Mateusz Guzik
2025-10-10 14:07   ` Jan Kara
2025-10-09  7:59 ` [PATCH v7 05/14] Manual conversion to use ->i_state accessors of all places not covered by coccinelle Mateusz Guzik
2025-10-10 14:10   ` Jan Kara
2025-10-09  7:59 ` [PATCH v7 06/14] btrfs: use the new ->i_state accessors Mateusz Guzik
2025-10-10 14:11   ` Jan Kara
2025-10-09  7:59 ` [PATCH v7 07/14] ceph: " Mateusz Guzik
2025-10-10 14:12   ` Jan Kara
2025-10-09  7:59 ` [PATCH v7 08/14] smb: " Mateusz Guzik
2025-10-10 14:15   ` Jan Kara
2025-10-09  7:59 ` [PATCH v7 09/14] f2fs: " Mateusz Guzik
2025-10-10 14:16   ` Jan Kara
2025-10-09  7:59 ` [PATCH v7 10/14] gfs2: " Mateusz Guzik
2025-10-10 14:17   ` Jan Kara
2025-10-09  7:59 ` [PATCH v7 11/14] overlayfs: " Mateusz Guzik
2025-10-10 14:18   ` Jan Kara
2025-10-09  7:59 ` [PATCH v7 12/14] nilfs2: " Mateusz Guzik
2025-10-10 14:18   ` Jan Kara
2025-10-09  7:59 ` [PATCH v7 13/14] xfs: " Mateusz Guzik
2025-10-10 14:41   ` Jan Kara
2025-10-10 15:40     ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-10-15  0:02       ` Dave Chinner
2025-10-15  2:10         ` Mateusz Guzik [this message]
2025-10-09  7:59 ` [PATCH v7 14/14] fs: make plain ->i_state access fail to compile Mateusz Guzik
2025-10-10 14:26   ` Jan Kara
2025-10-10 11:24 ` [PATCH v7 00/14] hide ->i_state behind accessors Christian Brauner
2025-10-10 11:29 ` Christian Brauner

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