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From: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
To: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>
Cc: John Groves <John@groves.net>, John Groves <jgroves@micron.com>,
	 Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	 Vishal Verma <vishal.l.verma@intel.com>,
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	 Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
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	 Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
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	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/20] Introduce the famfs shared-memory file system
Date: Fri, 17 May 2024 11:55:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJfpegv8XzFvty_x00UehUQxw9ai8BytvGNXE8SL03zfsTN6ag@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOQ4uxiPc5ciD_zm3jp5sVQaP4ndb40mApw5hx2DL+8BZNd==A@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 at 07:52, Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not virtiofs expert, but I don't think that you are wrong about this.
> IIUC, virtiofsd could map arbitrary memory region to any fuse file mmaped
> by virtiofs client.
>
> So what are the gaps between virtiofs and famfs that justify a new filesystem
> driver and new userspace API?

Let me try to fill in some gaps.  I've looked at the famfs driver
(even tried to set it up in a VM, but got stuck with the EFI stuff).

- famfs has an extent list per file that indicates how each page
within the file should be mapped onto the dax device, IOW it has the
following mapping:

  [famfs file, offset] -> [offset, length]

- fuse can currently map a fuse file onto a backing file:

  [fuse file] -> [backing file]

The interface for the latter is

   backing_id = ioctl(dev_fuse_fd, FUSE_DEV_IOC_BACKING_OPEN, backing_map);
...
   fuse_open_out.flags |= FOPEN_PASSTHROUGH;
   fuse_open_out.backing_id = backing_id;

This looks suitable for doing the famfs file - > dax device mapping as
well.  I wouldn't extend the ioctl with extent information, since
famfs can just use FUSE_DEV_IOC_BACKING_OPEN once to register the dax
device.  The flags field could be used to tell the kernel to treat
this fd as a dax device instead of a a regular file.

Letter, when the file is opened the extent list could be sent in the
open reply together with the backing id.  The fuse_ext_header
mechanism seems suitable for this.

And I think that's it as far as API's are concerned.

Note: this is already more generic than the current famfs prototype,
since multiple dax devices could be used as backing for famfs files,
with the constraint that a single file can only map data from a single
dax device.

As for implementing dax passthrough, I think that needs a separate
source file, the one used by virtiofs (fs/fuse/dax.c) does not appear
to have many commonalities with this one.  That could be renamed to
virtiofs_dax.c as it's pretty much virtiofs specific, AFAICT.

Comments?  Am I missing something significant?

Thanks,
Miklos

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-05-17  9:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-23 17:41 [RFC PATCH 00/20] Introduce the famfs shared-memory file system John Groves
2024-02-23 17:41 ` [RFC PATCH 01/20] famfs: Documentation John Groves
2024-02-23 17:41 ` [RFC PATCH 02/20] dev_dax_iomap: Add fs_dax_get() func to prepare dax for fs-dax usage John Groves
2024-02-26 12:05   ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-02-26 15:00     ` John Groves
2024-02-23 17:41 ` [RFC PATCH 03/20] dev_dax_iomap: Move dax_pgoff_to_phys from device.c to bus.c since both need it now John Groves
2024-02-26 12:10   ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-02-26 15:13     ` John Groves
2024-02-23 17:41 ` [RFC PATCH 04/20] dev_dax_iomap: Save the kva from memremap John Groves
2024-02-26 12:21   ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-02-26 15:48     ` John Groves
2024-02-23 17:41 ` [RFC PATCH 05/20] dev_dax_iomap: Add dax_operations for use by fs-dax on devdax John Groves
2024-02-26 12:32   ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-02-26 16:09     ` John Groves
2024-02-23 17:41 ` [RFC PATCH 06/20] dev_dax_iomap: Add CONFIG_DEV_DAX_IOMAP kernel build parameter John Groves
2024-02-26 12:34   ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-02-26 16:12     ` John Groves
2024-02-23 17:41 ` [RFC PATCH 07/20] famfs: Add include/linux/famfs_ioctl.h John Groves
2024-02-24  1:39   ` Randy Dunlap
2024-02-24  2:23     ` John Groves
2024-02-24  3:27       ` Randy Dunlap
2024-02-24 23:32         ` John Groves
2024-02-24 23:40           ` Randy Dunlap
2024-02-26 12:39   ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-02-26 16:44     ` John Groves
2024-02-26 16:56       ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-02-26 18:04         ` John Groves
2024-02-23 17:41 ` [RFC PATCH 08/20] famfs: Add famfs_internal.h John Groves
2024-02-26 12:48   ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-02-26 17:35     ` John Groves
2024-02-27 10:28       ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-02-28  1:06         ` John Groves
2024-02-27 13:38   ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-27 14:12     ` John Groves
2024-02-23 17:41 ` [RFC PATCH 09/20] famfs: Add super_operations John Groves
2024-02-26 12:51   ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-02-26 21:47     ` John Groves
2024-02-27 10:34       ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-02-27 17:48     ` John Groves
2024-02-23 17:41 ` [RFC PATCH 10/20] famfs: famfs_open_device() & dax_holder_operations John Groves
2024-02-26 12:56   ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-02-26 22:22     ` John Groves
2024-02-27 13:39   ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-27 18:38     ` John Groves
2024-02-23 17:41 ` [RFC PATCH 11/20] famfs: Add fs_context_operations John Groves
2024-02-26 13:20   ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-02-26 22:43     ` John Groves
2024-02-27 13:41   ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-28  0:59     ` John Groves
2024-02-28  1:49       ` Randy Dunlap
2024-02-28  8:17         ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-28 10:07       ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-28 12:01         ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-23 17:41 ` [RFC PATCH 12/20] famfs: Add inode_operations and file_system_type John Groves
2024-02-26 13:25   ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-02-26 22:53     ` John Groves
2024-02-23 17:41 ` [RFC PATCH 13/20] famfs: Add iomap_ops John Groves
2024-02-26 13:30   ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-02-26 23:00     ` John Groves
2024-02-23 17:41 ` [RFC PATCH 14/20] famfs: Add struct file_operations John Groves
2024-02-26 13:32   ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-02-26 23:09     ` John Groves
2024-02-23 17:41 ` [RFC PATCH 15/20] famfs: Add ioctl to file_operations John Groves
2024-02-26 13:44   ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-02-23 17:42 ` [RFC PATCH 16/20] famfs: Add fault counters John Groves
2024-02-23 18:23   ` Dave Hansen
2024-02-23 19:56     ` John Groves
2024-02-23 20:04       ` Dan Williams
2024-02-23 20:39         ` John Groves
2024-02-23 21:19           ` Dave Hansen
2024-02-23 23:50             ` Dan Williams
2024-02-24  3:59               ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-24  4:30                 ` Dan Williams
2024-02-23 17:42 ` [RFC PATCH 17/20] famfs: Add module stuff John Groves
2024-02-26 13:47   ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-02-27 22:15     ` John Groves
2024-02-23 17:42 ` [RFC PATCH 18/20] famfs: Support character dax via the dev_dax_iomap patch John Groves
2024-02-26 13:52   ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-02-27 22:27     ` John Groves
2024-02-23 17:42 ` [RFC PATCH 19/20] famfs: Update MAINTAINERS file John Groves
2024-02-23 17:42 ` [RFC PATCH 20/20] famfs: Add Kconfig and Makefile plumbing John Groves
2024-02-24  1:50   ` Randy Dunlap
2024-02-24  2:24     ` John Groves
2024-02-24  0:07 ` [RFC PATCH 00/20] Introduce the famfs shared-memory file system Luis Chamberlain
2024-02-26 13:27   ` John Groves
2024-02-26 15:53     ` Luis Chamberlain
2024-02-26 21:16       ` John Groves
2024-02-27  0:58         ` Luis Chamberlain
2024-02-27  2:05           ` John Groves
2024-02-29  2:15             ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-29 14:52               ` John Groves
2024-03-11  1:29                 ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-29  6:52 ` Amir Goldstein
2024-02-29 22:16   ` John Groves
2024-05-17  9:55   ` Miklos Szeredi [this message]
2024-05-19  5:59     ` Amir Goldstein
2024-05-22  2:05       ` John Groves
2024-05-22  8:58         ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-05-22 10:16           ` Amir Goldstein
2024-05-22 11:28             ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-05-22 13:41               ` Amir Goldstein
2024-05-23  2:49           ` John Groves
2024-05-23 13:57             ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-05-24  0:47               ` John Groves
2024-05-24  7:55                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-05-25 22:54                   ` Dave Chinner
2024-06-24 12:43               ` John Groves

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