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From: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, hch@infradead.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, apw@canonical.com, nbd@openwrt.org,
	neilb@suse.de, jordipujolp@gmail.com, ezk@fsl.cs.sunysb.edu,
	sedat.dilek@googlemail.com, hooanon05@yahoo.co.jp,
	mszeredi@suse.cz
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/9] vfs: export do_splice_direct() to modules
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:40:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJfpegvqosGZZkbd=JbtYFWxHe_QugvFO8k+jpdYbKh92SUuDQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <28283.1363691050@warthog.procyon.org.uk>

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:04 PM, David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> wrote:
> Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu> wrote:
>
>> > BTW, I wonder what's the right locking for that sucker; overlayfs is
>> > probably too heavy - we are talking about copying a file from one fs to
>> > another, which can obviously take quite a while, so holding ->i_mutex on
>> > _parent_ all along is asking for very serious contention.
>>
>> Copy up is a once-in-a-lifetime event for an object.  Optimizing it is
>> way down in the list of things to do.  I'd drop splice in a jiffy if
>> it's in the way.
>
> Yes, but it could block the parent directory for a long time.  I suspect it's
> fine if you can RCU walk through the parent, but if you have to grab a lock on
> it...

Right.

Lets look at it this way:  users of an overlay accept that an
operation X can take T time, where T is much longer than would be on a
normal filesystem.  Then why would they complain that operation Y
(which happens to bump into the parent lock of X) also takes T?

If copy up of huge files happens more then very very occasionally,
then the overlay will be basically unusable anyway.  It's just not
what it is designed for, so why try to optimize this case?

Thanks,
Miklos

  reply	other threads:[~2013-03-19 11:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-13 14:16 [PATCH 0/9] overlay filesystem: request for inclusion (v17) Miklos Szeredi
2013-03-13 14:16 ` [PATCH 1/9] vfs: add i_op->dentry_open() Miklos Szeredi
2013-03-13 22:44   ` Andrew Morton
2013-03-14 11:15     ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-03-13 14:16 ` [PATCH 2/9] vfs: export do_splice_direct() to modules Miklos Szeredi
2013-03-13 22:45   ` Andrew Morton
2013-03-13 14:16 ` [PATCH 3/9] vfs: export __inode_permission() " Miklos Szeredi
2013-03-13 14:16 ` [PATCH 4/9] vfs: introduce clone_private_mount() Miklos Szeredi
2013-03-13 22:48   ` Andrew Morton
2013-03-14 13:28     ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-03-13 14:16 ` [PATCH 5/9] overlay filesystem Miklos Szeredi
2013-03-13 22:53   ` Andrew Morton
2013-03-13 14:16 ` [PATCH 6/9] overlayfs: add statfs support Miklos Szeredi
2013-03-13 14:16 ` [PATCH 7/9] overlayfs: implement show_options Miklos Szeredi
2013-03-13 14:16 ` [PATCH 8/9] overlay: overlay filesystem documentation Miklos Szeredi
2013-03-13 23:06   ` Andrew Morton
2013-03-14 13:35     ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-03-13 14:16 ` [PATCH 9/9] fs: limit filesystem stacking depth Miklos Szeredi
2013-03-13 14:31 ` [PATCH 0/9] overlay filesystem: request for inclusion (v17) Sedat Dilek
2013-03-13 15:13   ` Sedat Dilek
2013-03-13 15:18     ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-03-13 15:26       ` Sedat Dilek
2013-03-13 15:53         ` Sedat Dilek
2013-03-13 16:10           ` Sedat Dilek
2013-03-13 16:21             ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-03-13 16:35               ` Sedat Dilek
2013-03-13 16:51               ` Sedat Dilek
2013-03-13 18:12                 ` Robin Holt
2013-03-13 18:37                   ` Felix Fietkau
2013-03-13 19:10                     ` Sedat Dilek
2013-03-13 19:54                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-03-13 19:58                         ` Linus Torvalds
2013-03-13 20:27                           ` Sedat Dilek
     [not found]             ` <CAB3woddVfZ9PdYPpzidJLBMmUeRx0Rxgb5Pc8bTM9U-tkcS_uA@mail.gmail.com>
2013-03-13 20:32               ` Sedat Dilek
2013-03-13 20:36             ` Phillip Lougher
2013-03-13 23:08 ` Andrew Morton
2013-03-14 13:43   ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-03-15  1:25     ` Al Viro
2013-03-15  4:15       ` J. R. Okajima
2013-03-15  4:44         ` Al Viro
2013-03-15  5:09           ` J. R. Okajima
2013-03-15  5:13             ` Al Viro
2013-03-15  8:15               ` James Bottomley
2013-03-15 12:12                 ` Al Viro
2013-03-15 18:57                   ` J. R. Okajima
2013-03-15 19:26                     ` Erez Zadok
2013-03-15 20:30                     ` Al Viro
2013-03-16 13:55                       ` J. R. Okajima
2013-03-15 19:11             ` Linus Torvalds
2013-03-16 13:57               ` J. R. Okajima
2013-03-17 13:06 ` [PATCH 2/9] vfs: export do_splice_direct() to modules David Howells
2013-03-18  2:31   ` Dave Chinner
2013-03-18 15:39   ` Jan Kara
2013-03-18 21:53     ` Al Viro
2013-03-18 23:01       ` Al Viro
2013-03-19  1:38         ` Al Viro
2013-03-19  9:00           ` J. R. Okajima
2013-03-19 10:29           ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-03-19 17:03             ` Al Viro
2013-03-19 18:32               ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-03-19 21:24                 ` Al Viro
2013-03-20  9:15                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-03-19 11:04           ` David Howells
2013-03-19 11:40             ` Miklos Szeredi [this message]
2013-03-19 20:54         ` Jan Kara
2013-03-19 20:25       ` Jan Kara
2013-03-19 21:38         ` Al Viro
2013-03-19 22:10           ` Al Viro
2013-03-20  2:33             ` Al Viro
2013-03-20 19:52               ` Jan Kara
2013-03-20 21:48                 ` Al Viro
2013-03-20 22:19                   ` Jan Kara
2013-03-20 12:30             ` David Howells
2013-03-22 17:37   ` J. R. Okajima
2013-03-22 18:11     ` Al Viro
2013-03-22 18:21       ` Al Viro
2013-03-23  2:49         ` J. R. Okajima
2013-03-23  4:41           ` Al Viro
2013-03-23  5:37             ` J. R. Okajima

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