From: Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: Bernd Schubert <bernd.schubert@fastmail.fm>,
Jingbo Xu <jefflexu@linux.alibaba.com>,
"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
lege.wang@jaguarmicro.com,
"Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [HELP] FUSE writeback performance bottleneck
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 14:01:02 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJnrk1bs+ADoozFPKtirqvQFJq8hQAkpbch6fbznObaWddGRTw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJnrk1aa=fv3H7pjmerrHD1fVkrD2inPhXf8DNdfeQpfSbUzdA@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Aug 22, 2024 at 10:00 AM Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 3:02 AM Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 at 11:32, Bernd Schubert <bernd.schubert@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> >
> > > Back to the background for the copy, so it copies pages to avoid
> > > blocking on memory reclaim. With that allocation it in fact increases
> > > memory pressure even more. Isn't the right solution to mark those pages
> > > as not reclaimable and to avoid blocking on it? Which is what the tmp
> > > pages do, just not in beautiful way.
> >
> > Copying to the tmp page is the same as marking the pages as
> > non-reclaimable and non-syncable.
> >
> > Conceptually it would be nice to only copy when there's something
> > actually waiting for writeback on the page.
> >
> > Note: normally the WRITE request would be copied to userspace along
> > with the contents of the pages very soon after starting writeback.
> > After this the contents of the page no longer matter, and we can just
> > clear writeback without doing the copy.
> >
> > But if the request gets stuck in the input queue before being copied
> > to userspace, then deadlock can still happen if the server blocks on
> > direct reclaim and won't continue with processing the queue. And
> > sync(2) will also block in that case.
>
> Why doesn't it suffice to just check if the page is being reclaimed
> and do the tmp page allocation only if it's under reclaim?
Never mind, Josef explained it to me. I misunderstood what the
PG_reclaim flag does.
>
> >
> > So we'd somehow need to handle stuck WRITE requests. I don't see an
> > easy way to do this "on demand", when something actually starts
> > waiting on PG_writeback. Alternatively the page copy could be done
> > after a timeout, which is ugly, but much easier to implement.
> >
> > Also splice from the fuse dev would need to copy those pages, but that
> > shouldn't be a problem, since it's just moving the copy from one place
> > to another.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Miklos
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-08-22 21:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-06-03 6:17 [HELP] FUSE writeback performance bottleneck Jingbo Xu
2024-06-03 14:43 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-03 15:19 ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-06-03 15:32 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-03 22:10 ` Dave Chinner
2024-06-04 7:20 ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-06-04 1:57 ` Jingbo Xu
2024-06-04 7:27 ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-06-04 7:36 ` Jingbo Xu
2024-06-04 9:32 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-04 10:02 ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-06-04 14:13 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-04 16:53 ` Josef Bacik
2024-06-04 21:39 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-04 22:16 ` Josef Bacik
2024-06-05 5:49 ` Amir Goldstein
2024-06-05 15:35 ` Josef Bacik
2024-08-22 17:00 ` Joanne Koong
2024-08-22 21:01 ` Joanne Koong [this message]
2024-08-23 3:34 ` Jingbo Xu
2024-09-13 0:00 ` Joanne Koong
2024-09-13 1:25 ` Jingbo Xu
2024-06-04 12:24 ` Jingbo Xu
2024-09-11 9:32 ` Jingbo Xu
2024-09-12 23:18 ` Joanne Koong
2024-09-13 3:35 ` Jingbo Xu
2024-09-13 20:55 ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-11 23:08 ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-14 1:57 ` Jingbo Xu
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