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From: Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: Bernd Schubert <bernd.schubert@fastmail.fm>,
	Jingbo Xu <jefflexu@linux.alibaba.com>,
	 "linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	 "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	lege.wang@jaguarmicro.com,
	 "Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [HELP] FUSE writeback performance bottleneck
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 14:01:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJnrk1bs+ADoozFPKtirqvQFJq8hQAkpbch6fbznObaWddGRTw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJnrk1aa=fv3H7pjmerrHD1fVkrD2inPhXf8DNdfeQpfSbUzdA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 22, 2024 at 10:00 AM Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 3:02 AM Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 at 11:32, Bernd Schubert <bernd.schubert@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> >
> > > Back to the background for the copy, so it copies pages to avoid
> > > blocking on memory reclaim. With that allocation it in fact increases
> > > memory pressure even more. Isn't the right solution to mark those pages
> > > as not reclaimable and to avoid blocking on it? Which is what the tmp
> > > pages do, just not in beautiful way.
> >
> > Copying to the tmp page is the same as marking the pages as
> > non-reclaimable and non-syncable.
> >
> > Conceptually it would be nice to only copy when there's something
> > actually waiting for writeback on the page.
> >
> > Note: normally the WRITE request would be copied to userspace along
> > with the contents of the pages very soon after starting writeback.
> > After this the contents of the page no longer matter, and we can just
> > clear writeback without doing the copy.
> >
> > But if the request gets stuck in the input queue before being copied
> > to userspace, then deadlock can still happen if the server blocks on
> > direct reclaim and won't continue with processing the queue.   And
> > sync(2) will also block in that case.
>
> Why doesn't it suffice to just check if the page is being reclaimed
> and do the tmp page allocation only if it's under reclaim?

Never mind, Josef explained it to me. I misunderstood what the
PG_reclaim flag does.
>
> >
> > So we'd somehow need to handle stuck WRITE requests.   I don't see an
> > easy way to do this "on demand", when something actually starts
> > waiting on PG_writeback.  Alternatively the page copy could be done
> > after a timeout, which is ugly, but much easier to implement.
> >
> > Also splice from the fuse dev would need to copy those pages, but that
> > shouldn't be a problem, since it's just moving the copy from one place
> > to another.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Miklos

  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-22 21:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-03  6:17 [HELP] FUSE writeback performance bottleneck Jingbo Xu
2024-06-03 14:43 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-03 15:19   ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-06-03 15:32     ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-03 22:10     ` Dave Chinner
2024-06-04  7:20       ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-06-04  1:57     ` Jingbo Xu
2024-06-04  7:27       ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-06-04  7:36         ` Jingbo Xu
2024-06-04  9:32           ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-04 10:02             ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-06-04 14:13               ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-04 16:53                 ` Josef Bacik
2024-06-04 21:39                   ` Bernd Schubert
2024-06-04 22:16                     ` Josef Bacik
2024-06-05  5:49                       ` Amir Goldstein
2024-06-05 15:35                         ` Josef Bacik
2024-08-22 17:00               ` Joanne Koong
2024-08-22 21:01                 ` Joanne Koong [this message]
2024-08-23  3:34               ` Jingbo Xu
2024-09-13  0:00                 ` Joanne Koong
2024-09-13  1:25                   ` Jingbo Xu
2024-06-04 12:24             ` Jingbo Xu
2024-09-11  9:32         ` Jingbo Xu
2024-09-12 23:18           ` Joanne Koong
2024-09-13  3:35             ` Jingbo Xu
2024-09-13 20:55               ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-11 23:08                 ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-14  1:57                   ` Jingbo Xu

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