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From: Max Kellermann <max.kellermann@ionos.com>
To: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	Ivan Babrou <ivan@cloudflare.com>,
	Matthew Bobrowski <repnop@google.com>
Subject: Re: inotify maintenance status
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 13:21:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKPOu+9ds-dbq2-idehU5XR2s3Xz2NL-=fB+skKoN_zCym_OtA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOQ4uxgG6ync6dSBJiGW98docJGnajALiV+9tuwGiRt8NE8F+w@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 12:59 PM Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com> wrote:
> Any API complexity can be hidden from users with userspace
> libraries. You can use the inotify-tools lib if you prefer.

That doesn't convince me at all, but that's a question of taste. We'll
just keep using inotify (with a patched kernel, which we have anyway).

> > Getting an already-opened file descriptor, or just the file_handle, is
> > certainly an interesting fanotify feature. But that could have easily
> > been added to inotify with a new "mask" flag for the
> > inotify_add_watch() function.
> >
>
> "could have easily been added" is not a statement that I am willing
> to accept.

Are you willing to take a bet? I come up with a patch for implementing
this for inotify, let's say within a week, and you agree to merge it?

(I'm not interested in this feature, I won't ever use it - all I
wanted is dfd support for inotify_add_watch()).

> The things that you are complaining about in the API are the exact
> things that were needed to make the advanced features work.

Not exactly - I complain that fanotify makes the complexity mandatory,
the complexity is the baseline of the API. It would have been possible
to design an API that is simple for 99% of all users, as simple as
inotify; and only those who need the advanced features get the
complexity as an option.

I don't agree with your point that unnecessary complexity should be
mitigated by throwing more (library) code at it. That's just adding
more complexity and more overhead, the opposite of what I want.

Max

  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-19 11:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-18 12:32 [PATCH 1/4] inotify_user: pass directory fd to inotify_find_inode() Max Kellermann
2023-09-18 12:32 ` [PATCH 2/4] inotify_user: move code to do_inotify_add_watch() Max Kellermann
2023-09-18 12:32 ` [PATCH 3/4] inotify_user: add system call inotify_add_watch_at() Max Kellermann
2023-09-18 12:40   ` Jan Kara
2023-09-18 13:57     ` Max Kellermann
2023-09-18 14:23       ` Jan Kara
2023-09-18 15:28         ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-18 18:05           ` inotify maintenance status Amir Goldstein
2023-09-19  7:16             ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-19  9:08               ` Max Kellermann
2023-09-19 10:01                 ` Jan Kara
2023-09-19 10:42                   ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-19 10:48                     ` Max Kellermann
2023-09-19 10:42                   ` Max Kellermann
2023-09-19 10:58                     ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-19 11:21                       ` Max Kellermann [this message]
2023-09-19 12:21                         ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-19 12:51                           ` Max Kellermann
2023-09-19 13:01                             ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-19 13:11                               ` Max Kellermann
2023-09-19 13:22                                 ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-19 13:41                                   ` Max Kellermann
2023-09-19 13:56                                     ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-19 13:28                         ` Jan Kara
2023-09-19 13:48                           ` Max Kellermann
2023-09-19  9:26             ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-19  9:48             ` Jan Kara
2023-09-19 14:55               ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-18 19:45     ` [PATCH 3/4] inotify_user: add system call inotify_add_watch_at() Max Kellermann
2023-09-18 12:32 ` [PATCH 4/4] arch: register inotify_add_watch_at Max Kellermann
2023-09-18 20:24   ` kernel test robot
2023-09-18 20:24   ` kernel test robot

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