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From: Alexander Larsson <alexl@redhat.com>
To: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Cc: Ian Kent <ikent@redhat.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	 Lucas Karpinski <lkarpins@redhat.com>,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, raven@themaw.net,
	 linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 Eric Chanudet <echanude@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC v3 1/1] fs/namespace: remove RCU sync for MNT_DETACH umount
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2024 10:41:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAL7ro1FOYPsN3Y18tgHwpg+VB=rU1XB8Xds9P89Mh4T9N98jyA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240701-zauber-holst-1ad7cadb02f9@brauner>

On Mon, Jul 1, 2024 at 7:50 AM Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> > I always thought the rcu delay was to ensure concurrent path walks "see" the
> >
> > umount not to ensure correct operation of the following mntput()(s).
> >
> >
> > Isn't the sequence of operations roughly, resolve path, lock, deatch,
> > release
> >
> > lock, rcu wait, mntput() subordinate mounts, put path.
>
> The crucial bit is really that synchronize_rcu_expedited() ensures that
> the final mntput() won't happen until path walk leaves RCU mode.
>
> This allows caller's like legitimize_mnt() which are called with only
> the RCU read-lock during lazy path walk to simple check for
> MNT_SYNC_UMOUNT and see that the mnt is about to be killed. If they see
> that this mount is MNT_SYNC_UMOUNT then they know that the mount won't
> be freed until an RCU grace period is up and so they know that they can
> simply put the reference count they took _without having to actually
> call mntput()_.
>
> Because if they did have to call mntput() they might end up shutting the
> filesystem down instead of umount() and that will cause said EBUSY
> errors I mentioned in my earlier mails.

But such behaviour could be kept even without an expedited RCU sync.
Such as in my alternative patch for this:
https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-fsdevel/msg270117.html

I.e. we would still guarantee the final mput is called, but not block
the return of the unmount call.


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 Alexander Larsson                                Red Hat, Inc
       alexl@redhat.com         alexander.larsson@gmail.com


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-07-01  8:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-26 20:07 [RFC v3 0/1] fs/namespace: defer RCU sync for MNT_DETACH umount Lucas Karpinski
2024-06-26 20:07 ` [RFC v3 1/1] fs/namespace: remove " Lucas Karpinski
2024-06-26 20:47   ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-06-27  1:11     ` Ian Kent
2024-06-27 11:54       ` Jan Kara
2024-06-27 15:16         ` Christian Brauner
2024-06-28  3:17           ` Ian Kent
2024-06-28 12:54             ` Christian Brauner
2024-06-28 15:13               ` Alexander Larsson
2024-07-01  0:58                 ` Ian Kent
2024-07-01  5:50                   ` Christian Brauner
2024-07-01  8:03                     ` Ian Kent
2024-07-01  8:41                     ` Alexander Larsson [this message]
2024-07-01 10:15                       ` Jan Kara
2024-07-01 12:13                         ` Christian Brauner
2024-07-01 12:10                       ` Christian Brauner
2024-07-03  9:22                         ` Christian Brauner
2024-07-04  1:23                           ` Ian Kent
2024-07-02  1:29                     ` Ian Kent
2024-07-02  4:50                       ` Christian Brauner
2024-06-28  2:58         ` Ian Kent
2024-06-28 11:13           ` Jan Kara
2024-07-01  1:08             ` Ian Kent
2024-07-02  4:58             ` Christian Brauner
2024-07-02  7:01               ` Ian Kent
2024-07-02 10:01                 ` Jan Kara

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