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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: "Jörn Engel" <joern@logfs.org>, "Zach Brown" <zab@redhat.com>,
	"Myklebust, Trond" <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Ric Wheeler" <rwheeler@redhat.com>,
	"Linux FS Devel" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Chris L. Mason" <clmason@fusionio.com>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Alexander Viro" <aviro@redhat.com>,
	"Martin K. Petersen" <mkp@mkp.net>,
	"Hannes Reinecke" <hare@suse.de>,
	"Joel Becker" <jlbec@evilplan.org>
Subject: Re: New copyfile system call - discuss before LSF?
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 15:40:55 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrVB_6V8nqKJ_moRN4VnV=pHRJen2iSLybAc39XbjyBFdg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130330194933.GB1005@amd.pavel.ucw.cz>

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:
> Hi!
>
>> > I thought the first thing people would ask for is to atomically create a
>> > new file and copy the old file into it (at least on local file systems).
>> >  The idea is that nothing should see an empty destination file, either
>> > by race or by crash.  (This feature would perhaps be described as a
>> > pony, but it should be implementable.)
>>
>> Having already wasted many week trying to implement your pony, I would
>> consider it about as possible as winning the lottery three times in a
>> row.  It clearly is in theory and yet,...
>
> Hmm, really? AFAICT it would be simple to provide open_deleted_file("directory")
> syscall. You'd open_deleted_file(), copy source file into it, then
> fsync(), then link it into filesystem.

Isn't linking a deleted file back into the filesystem explicitly
forbidden?  I'm pretty sure that linking from /proc/fd/whatever
doesn't work.  (I've often wanted a flink system call that takes a
file descriptor and links it somewhere.  If it came with an option to
control whether it would overwrite an existing file, even better.)

--Andy

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-03-30 22:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-02-21 11:37 New copyfile system call - discuss before LSF? Ric Wheeler
2013-02-21 13:37 ` Hannes Reinecke
2013-02-21 13:51 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-02-21 14:57   ` Ric Wheeler
2013-02-21 16:36     ` Andreas Dilger
2013-02-21 20:00     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-21 20:50       ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-02-21 22:24         ` Zach Brown
2013-02-22  1:29           ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-02-23  0:32             ` Eric Wong
2013-03-30 19:45               ` Pavel Machek
2013-03-31 21:23                 ` Eric Wong
2013-02-22  9:47           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-22  9:52             ` Ric Wheeler
2013-02-22 18:22               ` Zach Brown
2013-02-22 22:48                 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-02-25 21:14           ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-02-25 21:49             ` Ric Wheeler
2013-02-25 21:59               ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-02-25 22:16                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-02-25 23:28                   ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-02-25 23:35                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-02-25 23:45                       ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-02-26  0:03                         ` Zach Brown
2013-03-11  9:31                           ` Joel Becker
2013-02-26 21:02             ` Jörn Engel
2013-02-26 22:35               ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-03-30 19:49               ` Pavel Machek
2013-03-30 20:08                 ` Andreas Dilger
2013-03-30 21:45                   ` Pavel Machek
2013-03-30 21:57                     ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-30 23:21                       ` Ric Wheeler
2013-03-31  2:53                         ` Andreas Dilger
2013-03-31  3:52                           ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-31  4:18                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-03-31  4:36                               ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-31  4:45                                 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-04-01 15:49                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-03-31  7:36                       ` Pavel Machek
2013-03-31 18:27                         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-31 18:32                           ` openat(..., AT_UNLINKED) was " Pavel Machek
2013-03-31 18:44                             ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-31 22:50                               ` Pavel Machek
2013-03-31 23:14                                 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-03-31 23:18                                   ` Pavel Machek
2013-03-31 23:28                                     ` Ric Wheeler
2013-03-31 23:41                                       ` Pavel Machek
2013-03-31  5:38                     ` AEDilger Gmail
2013-03-31  8:25                       ` Pavel Machek
2013-03-31 11:48                   ` Pádraig Brady
2013-03-30 22:40                 ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2013-02-21 22:05       ` Ric Wheeler
2013-02-21 22:13         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-02-22  8:47           ` Ric Wheeler
2013-02-21 18:29   ` Jeremy Allison
2013-02-22  0:29     ` Eric Wong

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