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From: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>
To: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 22/50] convert efivarfs
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2025 19:26:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMj1kXEB+W6wNDUnWeaeiuRqR-AKDwNhsoCAXokAEqRjSt7v7Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251029180835.GT2441659@ZenIV>

On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 at 19:08, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2025 at 10:34:51PM +0100, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
>
> > I'll let James respond to the specifics of your suggestion, but I'll
> > just note that this code has a rather convoluted history, as we used
> > to have two separate pseudo-filesystem drivers, up until a few years
> > ago: the sysfs based 'efivars' and this efivarfs driver. Given that
> > modifications in one needed to be visible in the other, they shared a
> > linked list that shadowed the state of the underlying variable store.
> > 'efivars' was removed years ago, but it was only recently that James
> > replaced the linked list in this driver with the dentry cache as the
> > shadow mechanism.
>
> Hmm...  Another question about that code: is efivar_get_variable()
> safe outside of efivar_lock()?

Not according to its kerneldoc

/*
 * efivar_get_variable() - retrieve a variable identified by name/vendor
 *
 * Must be called with efivars_lock held.
 */

But actually, I'm not convinced this is accurate. The reason for
locking at this level is mainly to ensure that a SetVariable() call
does not interfere with an ongoing enumeration calling
GetNextVariable() in a loop. The individual EFI runtime calls are
still serialized at a lower level, given that the firmware is not
reentrant, and so holding efivars_lock does not provide anything
meaningful for a GetVariable() call.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-29 18:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-28  0:45 [PATCH v2 00/50] tree-in-dcache stuff Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 01/50] fuse_ctl_add_conn(): fix nlink breakage in case of early failure Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 02/50] tracefs: fix a leak in eventfs_create_events_dir() Al Viro
2025-10-28  1:15   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 03/50] new helper: simple_remove_by_name() Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 04/50] new helper: simple_done_creating() Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 05/50] introduce a flag for explicitly marking persistently pinned dentries Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 06/50] primitives for maintaining persisitency Al Viro
2025-10-28 12:38   ` James Bottomley
2025-10-29  5:10     ` Al Viro
2025-10-29 15:25       ` James Bottomley
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 07/50] convert simple_{link,unlink,rmdir,rename,fill_super}() to new primitives Al Viro
2025-10-29 14:02   ` [External] : " Mark Tinguely
2025-10-29 17:55     ` Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 08/50] convert ramfs and tmpfs Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 09/50] procfs: make /self and /thread_self dentries persistent Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 10/50] configfs, securityfs: kill_litter_super() not needed Al Viro
2025-10-28 23:58   ` Paul Moore
2025-10-29  6:18   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 11/50] convert xenfs Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 12/50] convert smackfs Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 13/50] convert hugetlbfs Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 14/50] convert mqueue Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 15/50] convert bpf Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 16/50] convert dlmfs Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 17/50] convert fuse_ctl Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 18/50] convert pstore Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 19/50] convert tracefs Al Viro
2025-10-28 15:37   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 20/50] convert debugfs Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 21/50] debugfs: remove duplicate checks in callers of start_creating() Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 22/50] convert efivarfs Al Viro
2025-10-28 12:53   ` James Bottomley
2025-10-28 17:45     ` Al Viro
2025-10-28 21:08       ` Al Viro
2025-10-28 21:34         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2025-10-29 18:08           ` Al Viro
2025-10-29 18:26             ` Ard Biesheuvel [this message]
2025-10-29 18:57           ` James Bottomley
2025-10-29 19:37             ` Al Viro
2025-10-29 19:48               ` James Bottomley
2025-10-30 13:35               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 23/50] convert spufs Al Viro
2025-10-28  1:15   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28  1:33     ` Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 24/50] convert ibmasmfs Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 25/50] ibmasmfs: get rid of ibmasmfs_dir_ops Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 26/50] convert devpts Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 27/50] binderfs: use simple_start_creating() Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 28/50] binderfs_binder_ctl_create(): kill a bogus check Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 29/50] convert binderfs Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 30/50] autofs_{rmdir,unlink}: dentry->d_fsdata->dentry == dentry there Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 31/50] convert autofs Al Viro
2025-10-28  1:55   ` Al Viro
2025-10-28  5:32     ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 32/50] convert binfmt_misc Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 33/50] selinuxfs: don't stash the dentry of /policy_capabilities Al Viro
2025-10-29  0:08   ` Paul Moore
2025-10-29 15:19   ` Stephen Smalley
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 34/50] selinuxfs: new helper for attaching files to tree Al Viro
2025-10-28 23:51   ` Paul Moore
2025-10-29 15:22   ` Stephen Smalley
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 35/50] convert selinuxfs Al Viro
2025-10-29  0:02   ` Paul Moore
2025-10-29  3:24     ` Al Viro
2025-10-29 14:49       ` Paul Moore
2025-10-29 15:06   ` Stephen Smalley
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 36/50] functionfs: switch to simple_remove_by_name() Al Viro
2025-10-28  8:47   ` Greg KH
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 37/50] convert functionfs Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 38/50] gadgetfs: switch to simple_remove_by_name() Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 39/50] convert gadgetfs Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:45 ` [PATCH v2 40/50] hypfs: don't pin dentries twice Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:46 ` [PATCH v2 41/50] hypfs: switch hypfs_create_str() to returning int Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:46 ` [PATCH v2 42/50] hypfs: swich hypfs_create_u64() " Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:46 ` [PATCH v2 43/50] convert hypfs Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:46 ` [PATCH v2 44/50] convert rpc_pipefs Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:46 ` [PATCH v2 45/50] convert nfsctl Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:46 ` [PATCH v2 46/50] convert rust_binderfs Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:46 ` [PATCH v2 47/50] get rid of kill_litter_super() Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:46 ` [PATCH v2 48/50] convert securityfs Al Viro
2025-10-29  0:10   ` Paul Moore
2025-10-28  0:46 ` [PATCH v2 49/50] kill securityfs_recursive_remove() Al Viro
2025-10-29  0:04   ` Paul Moore
2025-10-28  0:46 ` [PATCH v2 50/50] d_make_discardable(): warn if given a non-persistent dentry Al Viro
2025-10-28  0:59 ` [PATCH v2 00/50] tree-in-dcache stuff Al Viro
2025-10-28  5:33 ` Linus Torvalds

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