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From: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>
To: NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	 Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,  linux-unionfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 16/53] ovl: drop dir lock for lookups in impure readdir
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2026 15:47:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOQ4uxgvD3COuoD5r67CfpYSiRFSr0LY5TB-QPcSn-zD9Ht1HQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <177386823998.3934327.10803400222725196190@noble.neil.brown.name>

On Wed, Mar 18, 2026 at 10:10 PM NeilBrown <neilb@ownmail.net> wrote:
>
> [[ CC list trimmed ]]
>
> On Mon, 16 Mar 2026, Amir Goldstein wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2026 at 10:49 PM NeilBrown <neilb@ownmail.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>
> > >
> > > When performing an "impure" readdir, ovl needs to perform a lookup on some
> > > of the names that it found.
> > > With proposed locking changes it will not be possible to perform this
> > > lookup (in particular, not safe to wait for d_alloc_parallel()) while
> > > holding a lock on the directory.
> > >
> > > ovl doesn't really need the lock at this point.
> >
> > Not exactly. see below.
> >
> > > It has already iterated
> > > the directory and has cached a list of the contents.  It now needs to
> > > gather extra information about some contents.  It can do this without
> > > the lock.
> > >
> > > After gathering that info it needs to retake the lock for API
> > > correctness.  After doing this it must check IS_DEADDIR() again to
> > > ensure readdir always returns -ENOENT on a removed directory.
> > >
> > > Note that while ->iterate_shared is called with a shared lock, ovl uses
> > > WRAP_DIR_ITER() so an exclusive lock is held and so we drop and retake
> > > that exclusive lock.
> > >
> > > As the directory is no longer locked in ovl_cache_update() we need
> > > dget_parent() to get a reference to the parent.
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>
> > > ---
> > >  fs/overlayfs/readdir.c | 19 ++++++++++++-------
> > >  1 file changed, 12 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/fs/overlayfs/readdir.c b/fs/overlayfs/readdir.c
> > > index 1dcc75b3a90f..d5123b37921c 100644
> > > --- a/fs/overlayfs/readdir.c
> > > +++ b/fs/overlayfs/readdir.c
> > > @@ -568,13 +568,12 @@ static int ovl_cache_update(const struct path *path, struct ovl_cache_entry *p,
> > >                         goto get;
> > >                 }
> > >                 if (p->len == 2) {
> > > -                       /* we shall not be moved */
> > > -                       this = dget(dir->d_parent);
> > > +                       this = dget_parent(dir);
> > >                         goto get;
> > >                 }
> > >         }
> > >         /* This checks also for xwhiteouts */
> > > -       this = lookup_one(mnt_idmap(path->mnt), &QSTR_LEN(p->name, p->len), dir);
> > > +       this = lookup_one_unlocked(mnt_idmap(path->mnt), &QSTR_LEN(p->name, p->len), dir);
> >
> > ovl_cache_update() is also called from ovl_iterate_merged() where inode
> > is locked.
> >
> > >         if (IS_ERR_OR_NULL(this) || !this->d_inode) {
> > >                 /* Mark a stale entry */
> > >                 p->is_whiteout = true;
> > > @@ -666,11 +665,12 @@ static int ovl_dir_read_impure(const struct path *path,  struct list_head *list,
> > >         if (err)
> > >                 return err;
> > >
> > > +       inode_unlock(path->dentry->d_inode);
> > >         list_for_each_entry_safe(p, n, list, l_node) {
> > >                 if (!name_is_dot_dotdot(p->name, p->len)) {
> > >                         err = ovl_cache_update(path, p, true);
> > >                         if (err)
> > > -                               return err;
> > > +                               break;
> > >                 }
> > >                 if (p->ino == p->real_ino) {
> > >                         list_del(&p->l_node);
> > > @@ -680,14 +680,19 @@ static int ovl_dir_read_impure(const struct path *path,  struct list_head *list,
> > >                         struct rb_node *parent = NULL;
> > >
> > >                         if (WARN_ON(ovl_cache_entry_find_link(p->name, p->len,
> > > -                                                             &newp, &parent)))
> > > -                               return -EIO;
> > > +                                                             &newp, &parent))) {
> > > +                               err = -EIO;
> > > +                               break;
> > > +                       }
> > >
> > >                         rb_link_node(&p->node, parent, newp);
> > >                         rb_insert_color(&p->node, root);
> > >                 }
> > >         }
> > > -       return 0;
> > > +       inode_lock(path->dentry->d_inode);
> > > +       if (IS_DEADDIR(path->dentry->d_inode))
> > > +               err = -ENOENT;
> > > +       return err;
> > >  }
> > >
> > >  static struct ovl_dir_cache *ovl_cache_get_impure(const struct path *path)
> > > --
> >
> > You missed the fact that overlayfs uses the dir inode lock
> > to protect the readdir inode cache, so your patch introduces
> > a risk for storing a stale readdir cache when dir modify operations
> > invalidate the readdir cache version while lock is dropped
> > and also introduces memory leak when cache is stomped
> > without freeing cache created by a competing thread.
> > I think something like the untested patch below should fix this.
>
> Yes, I did miss that - thanks. I think I missed a few other details too.
> I no longer think it can be safe to drop the lock without substantial
> rewrites - and even then maybe not.
>
> So I'm considering a different approach.
> This patch demonstrates what I'm thinking, though it still needs work I
> think.

I like this direction.

I always thought that we need to get rid of this vfs lookup
inside readdir but I thought it would be a lot of work.

Your suggestion walks around this in an elegant way.

>
> Thanks,
> NeilBrown
>
> From: NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>
> Subject: [PATCH] ovl: stop using lookup_one() in iterate_shared() handling.
>
> lookup_one() is expected to be removed as it does not fit well with
> proposed changes to directory locking.
> Specifically d_alloc_parallel() will be ordered outside of i_rwsem
> and as iterate_shared() is called with i_rwsem held it is not safe
> to call d_alloc_parallel().
>
> We can instead call d_alloc_noblock() and then call the ->lookup, but
> that can fail if there is a lookup attempt concurrent with the
> readdir().
>
> ovl cannot afford for the lookup to fail as that could produce incorrect
> results, and it cannot safely drop i_rwsem temporarily and that could
> introduce races with handling of the directory cache.
>
> Instead we rely on the fact that ovl_iterate() has an exclusive lock on
> the directory, so any concurrent lookup will wait for the ovl_iterate()
> call to complete.  We allocate a separate dentry and if the lookup is
> successful, it is hashed with the result.
>
> When the concurrent lookup gets i_rwsem it mustn't do its own lookup -
> it must use the existing dentry.  This is done using
> try_lookup_noperm().  To manage overheads we keep a counter of the
> number of "Stray dentries" there might be on each directory and only
> check for one when this count is non zero.
>
> If a 'stray dentry' were discarded for any reason before the concurrent
> lookup completed, the count would never reach zero.  That might be a problem.

Can we deal with the discarded dentries using OVL_E_FLAGS() for
a stray ovl dentry implement the relevant ovl_dentry_operations to decrement
the stray counter?

Thanks,
Amir.

>
> Signed-off-by: NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>
> ---
>  fs/overlayfs/namei.c     | 12 ++++++++++++
>  fs/overlayfs/ovl_entry.h |  1 +
>  fs/overlayfs/readdir.c   | 26 ++++++++++++++++++++++++--
>  fs/overlayfs/super.c     |  1 +
>  4 files changed, 38 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/fs/overlayfs/namei.c b/fs/overlayfs/namei.c
> index d8dd4b052984..c3ff57047712 100644
> --- a/fs/overlayfs/namei.c
> +++ b/fs/overlayfs/namei.c
> @@ -1399,6 +1399,18 @@ struct dentry *ovl_lookup(struct inode *dir, struct dentry *dentry,
>         if (dentry->d_name.len > ofs->namelen)
>                 return ERR_PTR(-ENAMETOOLONG);
>
> +       if (atomic_read(&OVL_I(dir)->stray_dentries) && d_in_lookup(dentry)) {
> +               /* This dentry might have forced readdir to do the lookup */
> +               struct dentry *alias =
> +                       try_lookup_noperm(&QSTR_LEN(dentry->d_name.name,
> +                                                   dentry->d_name.len),
> +                                         dentry->d_parent);
> +               if (alias && !IS_ERR(alias)) {
> +                       atomic_dec(&OVL_I(dir)->stray_dentries);
> +                       return alias;
> +               }
> +       }
> +
>         with_ovl_creds(dentry->d_sb)
>                 err = ovl_lookup_layers(&ctx, &d);
>
> diff --git a/fs/overlayfs/ovl_entry.h b/fs/overlayfs/ovl_entry.h
> index 1d4828dbcf7a..0e7751d5dfca 100644
> --- a/fs/overlayfs/ovl_entry.h
> +++ b/fs/overlayfs/ovl_entry.h
> @@ -172,6 +172,7 @@ struct ovl_inode {
>         struct inode vfs_inode;
>         struct dentry *__upperdentry;
>         struct ovl_entry *oe;
> +       atomic_t stray_dentries; /* directory */
>
>         /* synchronize copy up and more */
>         struct mutex lock;
> diff --git a/fs/overlayfs/readdir.c b/fs/overlayfs/readdir.c
> index 1dcc75b3a90f..add556a0a2b6 100644
> --- a/fs/overlayfs/readdir.c
> +++ b/fs/overlayfs/readdir.c
> @@ -557,6 +557,7 @@ static int ovl_cache_update(const struct path *path, struct ovl_cache_entry *p,
>         enum ovl_path_type type;
>         u64 ino = p->real_ino;
>         int xinobits = ovl_xino_bits(ofs);
> +       bool did_alloc = false;
>         int err = 0;
>
>         if (!ovl_same_dev(ofs) && !p->check_xwhiteout)
> @@ -574,8 +575,29 @@ static int ovl_cache_update(const struct path *path, struct ovl_cache_entry *p,
>                 }
>         }
>         /* This checks also for xwhiteouts */
> -       this = lookup_one(mnt_idmap(path->mnt), &QSTR_LEN(p->name, p->len), dir);
> -       if (IS_ERR_OR_NULL(this) || !this->d_inode) {
> +       this = d_alloc_noblock(dir, &QSTR_LEN(p->name, p->len));
> +       if (this == ERR_PTR(-EWOULDBLOCK)) {
> +               /*
> +                * Some other thread is looking up this name and will block
> +                * on i_rwsem before they can complete the lookup.
> +                * We will do the lookup and when that lookup gets a turn it
> +                * will return this dentry.
> +                */
> +               this = d_alloc_name(dir, p->name);
> +               did_alloc = true;
> +       }
> +       if (!IS_ERR(this) && !d_unhashed(this)) {
> +               /* Either we got in-lookup or we made our own unhashed */
> +               struct dentry *alias = ovl_lookup(dir->d_inode, this, 0);
> +               if (alias) {
> +                       d_lookup_done(this);
> +                       dput(this);
> +                       this = alias;
> +               } else if (did_alloc) {
> +                       atomic_inc(&OVL_I(dir->d_inode)->stray_dentries);
> +               }
> +       }
> +       if (IS_ERR(this) || !this->d_inode) {
>                 /* Mark a stale entry */
>                 p->is_whiteout = true;
>                 if (IS_ERR(this)) {
> diff --git a/fs/overlayfs/super.c b/fs/overlayfs/super.c
> index d4c12feec039..172d3ac7d3e2 100644
> --- a/fs/overlayfs/super.c
> +++ b/fs/overlayfs/super.c
> @@ -195,6 +195,7 @@ static struct inode *ovl_alloc_inode(struct super_block *sb)
>         oi->__upperdentry = NULL;
>         oi->lowerdata_redirect = NULL;
>         oi->oe = NULL;
> +       atomic_set(&oi->stray_dentries, 0);
>         mutex_init(&oi->lock);
>
>         return &oi->vfs_inode;
> --
> 2.50.0.107.gf914562f5916.dirty
>

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-20 14:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-12 21:11 [PATCH RFC 00/53] lift lookup out of exclive lock for dir ops NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:11 ` [PATCH 01/53] VFS: fix various typos in documentation for start_creating start_removing etc NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:11 ` [PATCH 02/53] VFS: enhance d_splice_alias() to handle in-lookup dentries NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:11 ` [PATCH 03/53] VFS: allow d_alloc_name() to be used with ->d_hash NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:11 ` [PATCH 04/53] VFS: use global wait-queue table for d_alloc_parallel() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:11 ` [PATCH 05/53] VFS: introduce d_alloc_noblock() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:11 ` [PATCH 06/53] VFS: add d_duplicate() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:11 ` [PATCH 07/53] VFS: Add LOOKUP_SHARED flag NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:11 ` [PATCH 08/53] VFS/xfs: drop parent lock across d_alloc_parallel() in d_add_ci() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:11 ` [PATCH 09/53] nfs: remove d_drop()/d_alloc_parallel() from nfs_atomic_open() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:11 ` [PATCH 10/53] nfs: use d_splice_alias() in nfs_link() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:11 ` [PATCH 11/53] nfs: don't d_drop() before d_splice_alias() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:11 ` [PATCH 12/53] nfs: don't d_drop() before d_splice_alias() in atomic_create NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 13/53] nfs: Use d_alloc_noblock() in nfs_prime_dcache() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 14/53] nfs: use d_alloc_noblock() in silly-rename NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 15/53] nfs: use d_duplicate() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 16/53] ovl: drop dir lock for lookups in impure readdir NeilBrown
2026-03-15 13:51   ` Amir Goldstein
2026-03-18 21:10     ` NeilBrown
2026-03-20 14:47       ` Amir Goldstein [this message]
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 17/53] coda: don't d_drop() early NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 18/53] shmem: use d_duplicate() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 19/53] afs: use d_time instead of d_fsdata NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 20/53] afs: don't unhash/rehash dentries during unlink/rename NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 21/53] afs: use d_splice_alias() in afs_vnode_new_inode() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 22/53] afs: use d_alloc_nonblock in afs_sillyrename() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 23/53] afs: lookup_atsys to drop and reclaim lock NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 24/53] afs: use d_duplicate() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 25/53] smb/client: use d_time to store a timestamp in dentry, not d_fsdata NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 26/53] smb/client: don't unhashed and rehash to prevent new opens NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 27/53] smb/client: use d_splice_alias() in atomic_open NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 28/53] smb/client: Use d_alloc_noblock() in cifs_prime_dcache() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 29/53] exfat: simplify exfat_lookup() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 30/53] configfs: remove d_add() calls before configfs_attach_group() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 31/53] configfs: stop using d_add() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 32/53] ext4: move dcache modifying code out of __ext4_link() NeilBrown
2026-03-17 10:00   ` Jan Kara
2026-03-17 20:27     ` [PATCH 32/53f] " NeilBrown
2026-03-18 17:47       ` Jan Kara
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 33/53] ext4: use on-stack dentries in ext4_fc_replay_link_internal() NeilBrown
2026-03-17  9:37   ` Jan Kara
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 34/53] tracefs: stop using d_add() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 35/53] cephfs: " NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 36/53] cephfs: remove d_alloc from CEPH_MDS_OP_LOOKUPNAME handling in ceph_fill_trace() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 37/53] cephfs: Use d_alloc_noblock() in ceph_readdir_prepopulate() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 38/53] cephfs: Don't d_drop() before d_splice_alias() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 39/53] ecryptfs: stop using d_add() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 40/53] gfs2: " NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 41/53] libfs: " NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 42/53] fuse: don't d_drop() before d_splice_alias() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 43/53] fuse: Use d_alloc_noblock() in fuse_direntplus_link() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 44/53] hostfs: don't d_drop() before d_splice_alias() in hostfs_mkdir() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 45/53] efivarfs: use d_alloc_name() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 46/53] Remove references to d_add() in documentation and comments NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 47/53] VFS: make d_alloc() local to VFS NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 48/53] VFS: remove d_add() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 49/53] VFS: remove d_rehash() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 50/53] VFS: remove lookup_one() and lookup_noperm() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 51/53] VFS: use d_alloc_parallel() in lookup_one_qstr_excl() NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 52/53] VFS: lift d_alloc_parallel above inode_lock NeilBrown
2026-03-12 21:12 ` [PATCH 53/53] VFS: remove LOOKUP_SHARED NeilBrown
2026-03-12 23:38 ` [PATCH RFC 00/53] lift lookup out of exclive lock for dir ops Steven Rostedt
2026-03-13  0:18   ` NeilBrown
2026-03-12 23:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-03-13  0:09   ` NeilBrown

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