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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Andiry Xu <andiry@gmail.com>
Cc: lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org>,
	david <david@fromorbit.com>, Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	swanson@cs.ucsd.edu, jix024@cs.ucsd.edu, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM TOPIC] Native NVMM file systems
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 17:13:37 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPcyv4hk6VR3yqhtocZwpyp4VRb59WO3ECfLEJx4pmpYSU_P5Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4gFePPt7ABOfJitVTEFPh_o838ky0fGjqAHMwnwwkV88Q@mail.gmail.com>

[ adding Jan and Ross ]

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 5:03 PM, Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 4:45 PM, Andiry Xu <andiry@gmail.com> wrote:
>> PMEM/DAX should allow for significant improvements in file system
>> performance and enable new programming models that allow direct,
>> efficient access to PMEM from userspace.  Achieving these gains in
>> existing file systems built for block devices (e.g., XFS and EXT4…)
>> presents a range of challenges (e.g.,
>> https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/9/11/159) and has been the subject of a lot
>> of recent work on ext4 and xfs.
>>
>> An alternative is to build a NVMM-aware file system from scratch that
>> takes full advantage of the performance that PMEM offers and avoids
>> the complexity that block-based file systems include to maximize
>> performance on slow storage (e.g., relaxing atomicity constraints on
>> many operations).  Of course, it also brings with it the complexity of
>> another file system.
>>
>> We recently sent out a patch set for one-such “clean slate” NVMM-aware
>> file system called NOVA.  NOVA is log-structured DAX file system with
>> several nice features:
>>
>> * High performance, especially in metadata operations due to efficient
>> fine-grained logging
>> * High scalability with per-CPU memory pool and per-inode logging
>> * Strong metadata and data atomicity guarantees for all operations
>> * Full filesystem snapshot support with DAX-mmap
>> * Metadata replication/checksums and RAID-4 style data protection
>>
>> At the summit, we would like to discuss the trade-offs between
>> adapting NVMM features to existing file systems vs. creating/adopting
>> a purpose-built file system for NVMM.  NOVA serves as useful starting
>> point for that discussion by demonstrating what’s possible.  It may
>> also suggest some features that could be adapted to other file systems
>> to improve NVMM performance.
>>
>> We welcome people that are interested in file systems and NVM/DAX.
>> Particular people that would be useful to have in attendance are Dan
>> Williams, Dave Chinner, and Matthew Wilcox.
>
> The rest of the fs-dax crew would also be useful to have:
>
> Jan Kara
> Ross Zwisler

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-02-01  1:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-01  0:45 [LSF/MM TOPIC] Native NVMM file systems Andiry Xu
2018-02-01  1:03 ` Dan Williams
2018-02-01  1:13   ` Dan Williams [this message]
2018-02-07 10:41     ` Jan Kara
2018-02-01  1:47 ` Darrick J. Wong
2018-02-01  2:12   ` Andiry Xu

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