From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.7 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B5DC433E0 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2021 21:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C4564F21 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2021 21:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S230420AbhBZVAz (ORCPT ); Fri, 26 Feb 2021 16:00:55 -0500 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:50720 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S230324AbhBZVAr (ORCPT ); Fri, 26 Feb 2021 16:00:47 -0500 Received: from mail-ej1-x630.google.com (mail-ej1-x630.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::630]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66FFBC06174A for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2021 13:00:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ej1-x630.google.com with SMTP id do6so17016249ejc.3 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2021 13:00:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=intel-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=zcQVf2L16DF1R7/sAErfdlf5yiNv7ZgQmWWZvBx0O7Y=; b=i9J2NEsaXdVW+xwyoC4uKryJBgK9gHlQ7rn0quR2L+4Oc/C8oI27RfDLQZQo0NCs/g hnrG1r6gm7njrx0fVEjP15LRadpIIXN/fOV5yKa01mFTbo1gcBDGjhwbZ7ZOLVe9f3cs rSg899zbhjmj9QpjjBl4C7469jymgZ1pywhm0Yi9YbtPNPwZ2dPcm+SZW7JxR+if3mxW 2ovsyRLMabpzn+UfK4PuDGgo/cUZoppPCV+qLm/F+ETuObciepwGF7IQ1xtRVWFJLB+b KZEQJrNlzzrVi641tIumtAdQnvy83AqgijwIGL3hqkDEuk1oRuBS/V/pxBDajS2Srnrr 4QGQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=zcQVf2L16DF1R7/sAErfdlf5yiNv7ZgQmWWZvBx0O7Y=; b=UszaQgR8ZYpdttQjZtE4h9yPNjoiI1wfa5TpTEQ8rGLNTiVVLs4JvKnxXsY30Xvzv+ kWFavWxDAckt2bl91SI/hwRM1vpZUyYlTrF/jiKXkF4/GJV/4LnTOLBPSyISHWZQnBMh ePuneuXjDq7O+vHOszCEpkJJAAy1zlIUo2YAwoU3zG/GV4aobaqw+mvVloHBQi8oECJl qIsFP5IAMR5z4/GdS3Fh9a911fLjIVCgqobbIZnpr3+XuQkd3xirEq+l/EjnKeUc4iHr 4ievrY3q3LaC68E+dgr/INlSXQR9pAe7vUcb+OErU/UYfYbfpekPReIubRGAKMPcICeA 0Fjw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530mpD2n/brQa1PootiqFmmy1YbXECIMLTyyDNFpdSw4hqrdn2JU h7gwKxobaOl1A7QQognSN53a7dZF3U8NiA71bfD3ig== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxDAdEBlk0RbwYt70jYfdky1u7QL1zNZXib8jYKCmqQiS//AXLx/UeM+e6rrhKUOcntNXe+fmaTNeYAK6yOe7A= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:6088:: with SMTP id t8mr5436602ejj.323.1614373204093; Fri, 26 Feb 2021 13:00:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210226002030.653855-1-ruansy.fnst@fujitsu.com> <20210226190454.GD7272@magnolia> <20210226205126.GX4662@dread.disaster.area> In-Reply-To: <20210226205126.GX4662@dread.disaster.area> From: Dan Williams Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 12:59:53 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Question about the "EXPERIMENTAL" tag for dax in XFS To: Dave Chinner Cc: "Darrick J. Wong" , "ruansy.fnst@fujitsu.com" , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , "linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org" , "linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" , "linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" , "darrick.wong@oracle.com" , "willy@infradead.org" , "jack@suse.cz" , "viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk" , "linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org" , "ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com" , "hch@lst.de" , "rgoldwyn@suse.de" , "y-goto@fujitsu.com" , "qi.fuli@fujitsu.com" , "fnstml-iaas@cn.fujitsu.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 12:51 PM Dave Chinner wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 11:24:53AM -0800, Dan Williams wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 11:05 AM Darrick J. Wong wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 09:45:45AM +0000, ruansy.fnst@fujitsu.com wrote: > > > > Hi, guys > > > > > > > > Beside this patchset, I'd like to confirm something about the > > > > "EXPERIMENTAL" tag for dax in XFS. > > > > > > > > In XFS, the "EXPERIMENTAL" tag, which is reported in waring message > > > > when we mount a pmem device with dax option, has been existed for a > > > > while. It's a bit annoying when using fsdax feature. So, my initial > > > > intention was to remove this tag. And I started to find out and solve > > > > the problems which prevent it from being removed. > > > > > > > > As is talked before, there are 3 main problems. The first one is "dax > > > > semantics", which has been resolved. The rest two are "RMAP for > > > > fsdax" and "support dax reflink for filesystem", which I have been > > > > working on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, what I want to confirm is: does it means that we can remove the > > > > "EXPERIMENTAL" tag when the rest two problem are solved? > > > > > > Yes. I'd keep the experimental tag for a cycle or two to make sure that > > > nothing new pops up, but otherwise the two patchsets you've sent close > > > those two big remaining gaps. Thank you for working on this! > > > > > > > Or maybe there are other important problems need to be fixed before > > > > removing it? If there are, could you please show me that? > > > > > > That remains to be seen through QA/validation, but I think that's it. > > > > > > Granted, I still have to read through the two patchsets... > > > > I've been meaning to circle back here as well. > > > > My immediate concern is the issue Jason recently highlighted [1] with > > respect to invalidating all dax mappings when / if the device is > > ripped out from underneath the fs. I don't think that will collide > > with Ruan's implementation, but it does need new communication from > > driver to fs about removal events. > > > > [1]: http://lore.kernel.org/r/CAPcyv4i+PZhYZiePf2PaH0dT5jDfkmkDX-3usQy1fAhf6LPyfw@mail.gmail.com > > Oh, yay. > > The XFS shutdown code is centred around preventing new IO from being > issued - we don't actually do anything about DAX mappings because, > well, I don't think anyone on the filesystem side thought they had > to do anything special if pmem went away from under it. > > My understanding -was- that the pmem removal invalidates > all the ptes currently mapped into CPU page tables that point at > the dax device across the system. THe vmas that manage these > mappings are not really something the filesystem really manages, > but a function of the mm subsystem. What the filesystem cares about > is that it gets page faults triggered when a change of state occurs > so that it can remap the page to it's backing store correctly. > > IOWs, all the mm subsystem needs to when pmem goes away is clear the > CPU ptes, because then when then when userspace tries to access the > mapped DAX pages we get a new page fault. In processing the fault, the > filesystem will try to get direct access to the pmem from the block > device. This will get an ENODEV error from the block device because > because the backing store (pmem) has been unplugged and is no longer > there... > > AFAICT, as long as pmem removal invalidates all the active ptes that > point at the pmem being removed, the filesystem doesn't need to > care about device removal at all, DAX or no DAX... How would the pmem removal do that without walking all the active inodes in the fs at the time of shutdown and call unmap_mapping_range(inode->i_mapping, 0, 0, 1)? The core-mm does tear down the ptes in the direct map, but user mappings to pmem are not afaics in xfs_do_force_shutdown().