From: "Jarkko Sakkinen" <jarkko@kernel.org>
To: "Jarkko Sakkinen" <jarkko@kernel.org>,
"Casey Schaufler" <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
"Jonathan Calmels" <jcalmels@3xx0.net>, <brauner@kernel.org>,
<ebiederm@xmission.com>, "Luis Chamberlain" <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
"Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>,
"Joel Granados" <j.granados@samsung.com>,
"Serge Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
"Paul Moore" <paul@paul-moore.com>,
"James Morris" <jmorris@namei.org>,
"David Howells" <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: <containers@lists.linux.dev>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
<linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
<linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
<keyrings@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] Introduce user namespace capabilities
Date: Thu, 16 May 2024 22:31:54 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <D1BBI1LX2FMW.3MTQAHW0MA1IH@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D1BBFWKGIA94.JP53QNURY3J4@kernel.org>
On Thu May 16, 2024 at 10:29 PM EEST, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> On Thu May 16, 2024 at 10:07 PM EEST, Casey Schaufler wrote:
> > I suggest that adding a capability set for user namespaces is a bad idea:
> > - It is in no way obvious what problem it solves
> > - It is not obvious how it solves any problem
> > - The capability mechanism has not been popular, and relying on a
> > community (e.g. container developers) to embrace it based on this
> > enhancement is a recipe for failure
> > - Capabilities are already more complicated than modern developers
> > want to deal with. Adding another, special purpose set, is going
> > to make them even more difficult to use.
>
> What Inh, Prm, Eff, Bnd and Amb is not dead obvious to you? ;-)
> One UNs cannot hurt...
>
> I'm not following containers that much but didn't seccomp profiles
> supposed to be the silver bullet?
Also, I think Kata Containers style way of doing containers is pretty
solid. I've heard that some video streaming service at least in recent
past did launch VM per stream so it's not like VM's cannot be made to
scale I guess.
BR, Jarkko
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-05-16 19:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-05-16 9:22 [PATCH 0/3] Introduce user namespace capabilities Jonathan Calmels
2024-05-16 9:22 ` [PATCH 1/3] capabilities: " Jonathan Calmels
2024-05-16 12:27 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-16 22:07 ` John Johansen
2024-05-17 10:51 ` Jonathan Calmels
2024-05-17 11:59 ` John Johansen
2024-05-18 3:50 ` Jonathan Calmels
2024-05-18 12:27 ` John Johansen
2024-05-19 1:33 ` Jonathan Calmels
2024-05-17 11:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2024-05-17 11:55 ` Jonathan Calmels
2024-05-17 12:48 ` John Johansen
2024-05-17 14:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
2024-05-17 18:02 ` Jonathan Calmels
2024-05-21 15:52 ` John Johansen
2024-05-20 3:30 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2024-05-20 3:36 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2024-05-16 9:22 ` [PATCH 2/3] capabilities: add securebit for strict userns caps Jonathan Calmels
2024-05-16 12:42 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-20 3:38 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2024-05-16 9:22 ` [PATCH 3/3] capabilities: add cap userns sysctl mask Jonathan Calmels
2024-05-16 12:44 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-20 3:38 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2024-05-20 13:30 ` Tycho Andersen
2024-05-20 19:25 ` Jonathan Calmels
2024-05-20 21:13 ` Tycho Andersen
2024-05-20 22:12 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-21 14:29 ` Tycho Andersen
2024-05-21 14:45 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-16 13:30 ` [PATCH 0/3] Introduce user namespace capabilities Ben Boeckel
2024-05-16 13:36 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-17 10:00 ` Jonathan Calmels
2024-05-16 16:23 ` Paul Moore
2024-05-16 17:18 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-16 19:07 ` Casey Schaufler
2024-05-16 19:29 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-16 19:31 ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2024-05-16 20:00 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-17 11:42 ` Jonathan Calmels
2024-05-17 17:53 ` Casey Schaufler
2024-05-17 19:11 ` Jonathan Calmels
2024-05-18 11:08 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-18 11:17 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-18 11:21 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-21 13:57 ` John Johansen
2024-05-21 14:12 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-21 14:45 ` John Johansen
2024-05-22 0:45 ` Jonathan Calmels
2024-05-31 7:43 ` John Johansen
2024-05-18 12:20 ` Serge Hallyn
2024-05-19 17:03 ` Casey Schaufler
2024-05-20 0:54 ` Jonathan Calmels
2024-05-21 14:29 ` John Johansen
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