From: Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Cc: Toshiharu Harada <haradats@gmail.com>,
James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
casey@schaufler-ca.com, Andreas Gruenbacher <agruen@suse.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [AppArmor 01/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_create LSM hook
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 01:32:33 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <D9C70A8C-2307-4E5F-AE5F-2A347284B879@mac.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <12000.1180233422@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>
On May 26, 2007, at 22:37:02, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> On Sat, 26 May 2007 22:10:34 EDT, Kyle Moffett said:
>> On May 26, 2007, at 19:08:56, Toshiharu Harada wrote:
>
>>> (1) Object labeling has a assumption that labels are always
>>> properly defined and maintained. This can not be easily achieved.
>>
>> That's a circular argument, and a fairly trivial one at that. If you
>> can't properly manage your labels, then how do you expect any
>> security at all?
>
> Unfortunately, it's not at all as simple as all that. Toshiharu is
> quite correct that it isn't always easy to actually implement.
> Consider how many ad-croc usages of 'restorecon' are needed to get
> a Fedora SELinux box through rc.sysinit:
While I don't think restorecon is really necessary to properly boot
SELinux-enabled (I've got a Debian box with some heavily customized
policy which does so just fine), I am of the opinion that adding a
"name" parameter to the file/directory create actions would be
useful. For example, with such support you could actually specify a
type-transition rule conditional on a specific name or substring:
named_type_transition sshd_t tmp_t:sock_file prefix "ssh-" ssh_sock_t;
Useful options for matching would be "prefix", "suffix", "substr
(start,len)". "regex" would be nice but is sorta computationally
intensive and would be likely to cause more problems than it solves.
> /sbin/restorecon -R /dev 2>/dev/null
> [ -n "$SELINUX_STATE" ] && restorecon /dev/mapper /dev/mapper/
> control >/dev/null 2>&1
These can go away if you modify your policy and pass "-o
fscontext=system_u:object_r:dev_t" to the mount command for the /dev
tmpfs, changing both the filesystem and the default directory labels
from the default "system_u:object_r:tmpfs_t". This will work as long
as your policy files contain appropriate transitions from the dev_t
type.
> REBOOTFLAG=`restorecon -v /sbin/init`
> restorecon /etc/mtab /etc/ld.so.cache /etc/blkid/blkid.tab /etc/
> resolv.conf >/dev/null 2>&1
> [ -n "$SELINUX_STATE" ] && restorecon /tmp
> [ -n "$SELINUX_STATE" ] && restorecon /tmp/.ICE-unix >/dev/null 2>&1
I believe these are to handle rebooting from non-SELinux mode. There
are two solutions to this kind of problem:
(1) Failing the boot if the labels are wrong
(2) Fixing the labels (and rebooting if necessary)
It would appear that FC does the latter, although for certain high-
security systems (such as firewalls handling classified/confidential
data), the first option is the only acceptable one.
> [ -n "$SELINUX_STATE" ] && restorecon /dev/pts >/dev/null 2>&1
I think this can be handled with some combination of appropriate
SELinux policy and mount options. At least, I don't need this in the
boot scripts on my heavily customized Debian SELinux box.
> [ -n "$SELINUX_STATE" -a -e "$path" ] && restorecon -R "$path"
I don't know what the point of this generic line is; but I certainly
don't have anything of the sort on my test system, and it appears to
work just fine.
> And that's just getting the system up to single-user. Things like
> sendmail and sshd require more restorecon handholding in their
> rc.init files.
>
> Or just look at the creeping horror that is 'restorecond' (in
> particular, consider that the default restorcond.conf contains the
> strings '~/public_html' and '~/.mozilla/plugins/
> libflashplayer.so'. Yee. Frikkin. Hah. ;)
Part of the reason that Fedora has a large quantity of that
restorecon and restorecond crap is that there is a certain amount of
broken binary software needing executable stack/heap (such as
flashplayer), programs without comprehensive or complete policies, or
programs which by definition need extra support for SELinux.
For example, to really complete the SELinux model you need editors
and tools which understand security labels the same way they
understand UNIX permissions. With a bit of vim scripting I can
probably make it run external commands to read file labels before it
reads the file itself and modify /proc/self/attr/fscreate before
writing out the file, similar to the way it would keep track of the
standard DAC permissions on files it modifies.
There's also the fact that corporate products have fixed release
schedules so remaining bugs in each release tend to get papered over
instead of fixed properly (such as the restorecon in FC init-
scripts). I haven't seen many problems with the SELinux model which
aren't associated with working around buggy software or missing
features.
Cheers,
Kyle Moffett
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-05-27 5:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 159+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-04-12 9:08 [AppArmor 00/41] AppArmor security module overview jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 01/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_create LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 10:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-16 16:11 ` [nameidata 1/2] Don't pass NULL nameidata to vfs_create Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-16 16:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-16 16:40 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-16 16:45 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-17 12:09 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-11 15:59 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-16 16:25 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-04-16 16:29 ` [nameidata 2/2] Pass no useless nameidata to the create, lookup, and permission IOPs Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-16 16:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-16 16:42 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-04-16 16:44 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-16 16:50 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-04-12 10:12 ` [AppArmor 01/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_create LSM hook Al Viro
2007-05-23 19:06 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-24 1:28 ` James Morris
2007-05-24 9:16 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-24 12:51 ` [AppArmor 01/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_create LSMhook Tetsuo Handa
[not found] ` <200705241112.41101.agruen@suse.de>
2007-05-24 13:19 ` [AppArmor 01/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_create LSM hook James Morris
2007-05-24 18:10 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-24 18:40 ` Al Viro
2007-05-24 21:56 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-24 18:58 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-05-25 4:14 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-25 5:17 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-05-25 17:43 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-05-25 18:10 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-05-25 18:13 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-05-25 19:06 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-05-26 1:40 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-05-26 12:10 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-26 22:58 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-05-27 1:33 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-05-25 20:00 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-25 20:27 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-05-26 5:27 ` Crispin Cowan
2007-05-26 13:34 ` Alan Cox
2007-05-26 14:05 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-26 18:41 ` James Morris
2007-05-26 5:20 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-26 11:46 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-26 12:09 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-05-26 13:41 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-26 14:44 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-05-26 16:52 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-05-26 18:16 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-26 18:45 ` [AppArmor 01/41] " James Morris
2007-05-26 23:08 ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-05-27 2:10 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-27 2:37 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-05-27 5:32 ` Kyle Moffett [this message]
2007-05-28 20:38 ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-29 2:00 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-27 7:25 ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-05-27 13:35 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-28 10:41 ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-05-29 1:54 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-29 21:17 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-05-30 5:52 ` Crispin Cowan
2007-05-24 14:40 ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-30 10:06 ` Alan Cox
2007-05-30 2:38 ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-05-27 8:34 ` Cliffe
2007-05-27 13:07 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-05-27 16:12 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-05-25 8:01 ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 02/41] Remove redundant check from proc_setattr() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 03/41] Remove redundant check from proc_sys_setattr() jjohansen
2007-04-12 10:10 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 04/41] Pass struct file down to remove_suid and children jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 05/41] Add a vfsmount parameter to notify_change() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 06/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_setattr LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 07/41] Add struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_mkdir() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 08/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_mkdir LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 09/41] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_mknod() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 10/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_mknod LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 11/41] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_symlink() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 12/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_symlink LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 13/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_readlink " jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 14/41] Add struct vfsmount parameters to vfs_link() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 15/41] Pass the struct vfsmounts to the inode_link LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 16/41] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_rmdir() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 17/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_rmdir LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 18/41] call lsm hook before unhashing dentry in vfs_rmdir() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 19/41] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_unlink() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 20/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_unlink LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 21/41] Add struct vfsmount parameters to vfs_rename() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 22/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_rename LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 23/41] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_setxattr() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 24/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_setxattr LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 25/41] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_getxattr() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 26/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_getxattr LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 27/41] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_listxattr() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 28/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_listxattr LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 29/41] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_removexattr() jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 30/41] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_removexattr LSM hook jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 31/41] Fix __d_path() for lazy unmounts and make it unambiguous; exclude unreachable mount points from /proc/mounts jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:58 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-15 17:40 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-16 21:57 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-17 1:35 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-17 17:21 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-19 23:23 ` [d_path 0/7] Fixes to d_path: Respin Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-19 23:23 ` [d_path 1/7] Fix __d_path() for lazy unmounts and make it unambiguous Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-20 9:32 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-19 23:23 ` [d_path 2/7] Make d_path() consistent across mount operations Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-19 23:23 ` [d_path 3/7] Add d_namespace_path() to compute namespace relative pathnames Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-21 12:57 ` Tetsuo Handa
2007-04-21 16:16 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-19 23:23 ` [d_path 4/7] Make getcwd() only return valid paths Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-19 23:23 ` [d_path 5/7] Remove duplicate proc code Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-19 23:23 ` [d_path 6/7] Filter out disconnected paths from /proc/mounts Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-20 9:34 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-19 23:23 ` [d_path 7/7] Distinguish between connected and disconnected paths in d_path() Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-20 9:30 ` [d_path 0/7] Fixes to d_path: Respin Alan Cox
2007-04-20 11:45 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-20 15:15 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-20 15:21 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-20 15:24 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-20 16:40 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-20 19:17 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-20 20:44 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-21 19:04 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-21 19:46 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-22 9:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-22 15:48 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-17 6:30 ` [AppArmor 31/41] Fix __d_path() for lazy unmounts and make it unambiguous; exclude unreachable mount points from /proc/mounts Rob Meijer
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 32/41] Make d_path() consistent across mount operations jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 33/41] Add d_namespace_path() to obtain namespace relative pathnames jjohansen
2007-04-12 10:49 ` Al Viro
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 34/41] Enable LSM hooks to distinguish operations on file descriptors from operations on pathnames jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 35/41] Pass struct file down the inode_*xattr security LSM hooks jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 36/41] Export audit subsystem for use by modules jjohansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 37/41] AppArmor: Main Part jjohansen
2007-04-12 10:37 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-13 8:17 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-13 8:48 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-13 8:52 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 38/41] AppArmor: Module and LSM hooks jjohansen
2007-04-12 10:21 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-16 21:37 ` John Johansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 39/41] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching jjohansen
2007-04-12 10:28 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-12 13:46 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-15 14:21 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-04-16 6:27 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-16 20:56 ` John Johansen
2007-04-16 7:39 ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-16 22:00 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-16 22:11 ` John Johansen
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 40/41] AppArmor: all the rest jjohansen
2007-04-12 10:32 ` Al Viro
2007-04-12 11:32 ` Al Viro
2007-04-12 9:08 ` [AppArmor 41/41] Add AppArmor LSM to security/Makefile jjohansen
2007-04-12 10:33 ` [AppArmor 00/41] AppArmor security module overview Shaya Potter
2007-04-12 13:50 ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-13 8:04 ` Rob Meijer
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